Dear campers

[manhunter]

You ruin everyones fun, you dont do much to throw me off(all I'm going to do is throw a grenade around the corner first next time I'm there) and in general you are just really f***ing lame so kindly please cut that **** out or gtfo.

Regards,
Manhunter

[manhunter]

i had to get that off my chest, i've had a bad day with campers, noob tubers, bunny hoppers and sometimes all of the above in one....

[Laz]

i had to get that off my chest, i've had a bad day with campers, noob tubers, bunny hoppers and sometimes all of the above in one....

I now got a mental image of a camper, bunny hopping in one spot while firing nade launchers.....

[manhunter]

it was actually a guy who was alternating between camping and running around and he jumped around corners and fired his tube while doing so.

[Gus]

well camping is not bad strategy . as this game has zero team work .it is every man for himself . this is the biggest run and gun spray and pray from the COD series of games. campers simply replaced the sniper.

[outlawbmj]

I always think it is amusing when people gripe about camping. Ironically, camping is a much more realistic way of playing the game than running around out in the open like an idiot speedknifing people or spraying with an LMG. When did playing the game realistically become the bad thing to do? Tubes can be countered with a flack jacket. Its not their fault your loadount doesn't protect you from them. Tubes do not work near as well in this game as they did in MW2 and you can't keep picking up ammo for them when using scavenger either. I don't use my tube loadout unless a lot of other people are doing it as well and then I use flack jacket so I can't be killed by them. I don't really care about any perk or strategy as long as it is built into the game. I do agree with you on bunnyhopping. I hate it and it is completely rediculous that the game allows it to mess with the hit counters like it does. Bunnyhopping has been a problem in every version of COD.

[russ]

I have no problems with campers as i cannot see what the difference is between
camping and sniping if you know please inform me. I know it's in the game but i dont like i think it's called dolphin diving,when you dive to prone as i think it's as bad as bunny hopping.

[outlawbmj]

I have no problems with campers as i cannot see what the difference is between
camping and sniping if you know please inform me. I know it's in the game but i dont like i think it's called dolphin diving,when you dive to prone as i think it's as bad as bunny hopping.


I totally agree. Usually people who complain about campers are the ones who think they should be allowed to run around out in the open spraying fire and "dolphin diving" as you put it. If you run around the map at superspeed and run out into the open you could get shot. If you camp you can get blown up or knifed or worse. I hate the diving to prone as well. However, diving to prone is much more realistic than bunnyhopping. I can picture a soldier diving to the ground when being shot at but I can't picture a real soldier bunnyhopping all over the place.

[manhunter]

the difference between sniping and camping is simple, snipers set up on a remote edge of the map with a big scope and pick people off from a long way away and actually takes some skill, campers on the other hand hide in a corner and wait for you to walk by and then they spray you with SMG fire which doesnt take skill, its simply a game of who can react faster(usually the camper as the victim doesnt know they are there)


dolphin diving is really annoying but I dont really have a problem with it because it is somewhat realistic

[psycomonk]

I like campers........easy kills

[russ]

I like camping as i only have short hairy legs and i cant run very fast,hahaha.

[Prussian Iron]

I always think it is amusing when people gripe about camping. Ironically, camping is a much more realistic way of playing the game than running around out in the open like an idiot speedknifing people or spraying with an LMG. When did playing the game realistically become the bad thing to do?

Well....I think you are both right and wrong. IMO, there are 2 main categories of camping: Realistic, and Unrealistic.

Examples of both:

Realistic:

-You are on Jungle, and you camp inside a house with a corridor of fire into the enemy's primary spawn area.

-On Jungle, camping on the Cliff

-On Array, Camping from the building outwards to shoot at enemies

-On Crisis, camping behind a rock or something similar

-On Hanoi, camping in one of the buildings shooting out through the windows




Unrealistic:

-You are on Havana, camping in a corner of a building totally exposed to anybody shooting at you, but you just come up behind people when they go through the door. Unrealistic.

-You are on Array camping in a corner, same scenario.

-You are on Hanoi, camping in a fern waiting for people to come through a gate
or doorway for you to shoot

-On Hanoi, you sit in a corner of one of those buildings waiting for someone to come through so you can stab them




Basically, the main difference is realistically you would never sit somewhere for a long time with no cover. People don't actually sit in corners waiting for hostiles.

Another big difference is that usually you can kill the people doing it realistically. The people sitting in a corner? 99% of the time no, at least the first time they kill you. Maybe after watching the killcam you can, but the first time they will almost certainly get you.

[macorules94]

I don't know why Treyarch even put in Grenade Launchers, when everybody hates them. I reckon they should've made it that, if you stay in one place for over 10 seconds, you get kicked out of the match. That way campers will get kicked

[Gus]

I don't know why Treyarch even put in Grenade Launchers, when everybody hates them. I reckon they should've made it that, if you stay in one place for over 10 seconds, you get kicked out of the match. That way campers will get kicked


nope bad idea . camping is a way some choose to play . i guess if you get x amount of kills in 10 seconds you should get kicked, lol

[Prussian Iron]

nope bad idea . camping is a way some choose to play . i guess if you get x amount of kills in 10 seconds you should get kicked, lol

what if you got a multikill from a grenade/chopper gunner? u shud get kicked?

[Gus]

uote: <table border="0" cellpadding="6" cellspacing="0" width="100%"> <tbody><tr> <td class="alt2" style="border: 1px inset;"> Originally Posted by Gus http://www.codboards.com/forums/../tren_z/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.codboards.com/forums/showthread.php?p=253224#post253224)
nope bad idea . camping is a way some choose to play . i guess if you get x amount of kills in 10 seconds you should get kicked, lol
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what if you got a multikill from a grenade/chopper gunner? u shud get kicked?


sarcasm my friend , sarcasm

[outlawbmj]

I think it is equally rediculous that people run around out in the open. Of course you would never do this as a real soldier because you would be the first to die. Some people are more concerned about points than anything so they done care if they die 18 times to get 20 kills. I like to camp but I also move around in specified areas. It really depends on the map. I look at my kill death ratio as my indicator of success. For example, if I killed 10 people and died twice, then I contributed 800 points to my team effort. If you get 20 kills and 18 deaths you may have a higher score but you only contribute 200 points to your team effort and ironically contributed 1800 points to the opposing teams effort. Yeah your 2000 points rack up on your team but your 1800 points worth of death contributed to the other team. Thats not what I would call a success.

How many times have we seen people charging through machinegun fire to knife someone? Successful or not it is totally unrealistic. You would die every time in reality because CODland is the only place a knife can defeat a gun aside from actually sneaking up on someone and knifing them which is realistic. The bottom line is that this game is as realistic as you want to make it. If you choose to run around out in the open don't be surprised if you get shot from a window or door, etc. If you like to camp don't be surprised if you don't get knifed inthe back or taken out by som sort of grenade or symtex, rocket, etc. I can tell you this...I don't die near as much as many more "successful" players. My K/D ratios are good and I still average between 15-20 kills per game without dying just as many times.

[Fabulouscoops]

My k/d sucks, its usually less than 1 but I am in the top 3 more often then not. That is because I play the objectives, if i get killed four times with no kills but capture the HQ, then I am happy and my team is winning. The only gametype where K/D is important is TDM because each death you have is a kill for the other side.

Last time I played DEM I had both plants and one defuse and went 6 and 20 but finished second and my team won.
I usually lead the team in flag caps and deaths in DOM.
I am in on all HQ caps and destroys but also lead the team in deaths.
Kills and deaths are totally meaningless in most gametypes.

In HQ especially, campers will set up at the entrances to the HQ before it is captured but never go into the area themselves, they get a good K/D but they are playing TDM for dummies and don't really help their team.
Also in HQ it is sometimes better to die on purpose to get a more favorable spawn point.

Camping may be a successful strategy for selfish players but give me a teammate who plays the game for the team and not for himself every time.

[Laz]

My k/d sucks, its usually less than 1 but I am in the top 3 more often then not. That is because I play the objectives, if i get killed four times with no kills but capture the HQ, then I am happy and my team is winning. The only gametype where K/D is important is TDM because each death you have is a kill for the other side.

Last time I played DEM I had both plants and one defuse and went 6 and 20 but finished second and my team won.
I usually lead the team in flag caps and deaths in DOM.
I am in on all HQ caps and destroys but also lead the team in deaths.
Kills and deaths are totally meaningless in most gametypes.

In HQ especially, campers will set up at the entrances to the HQ before it is captured but never go into the area themselves, they get a good K/D but they are playing TDM for dummies and don't really help their team.
Also in HQ it is sometimes better to die on purpose to get a more favorable spawn point.

Camping may be a successful strategy for selfish players but give me a teammate who plays the game for the team and not for himself every time.

You and I play in the exact same way. I always wanted individual points to be taken out of the game in team game modes, so the only indicator was the team points.

[Prussian Iron]

Some people are more concerned about points than anything so they done care if they die 18 times to get 20 kills. I like to camp but I also move around in specified areas. It really depends on the map. I look at my kill death ratio as my indicator of success. For example, if I killed 10 people and died twice, then I contributed 800 points to my team effort. If you get 20 kills and 18 deaths you may have a higher score but you only contribute 200 points to your team effort and ironically contributed 1800 points to the opposing teams effort. Yeah your 2000 points rack up on your team but your 1800 points worth of death contributed to the other team. Thats not what I would call a success.

Thats how I look at it; how much you contribute to your team. It's more prevalent in BC2 if you wanna try that; in there you actually really want to help your team rather than sit in a corner shooting people who walk by.

What really pisses me off is when I'm playing like domination or something and I have a team full of people who don't care about defending themselves, just about taking objectives. And because they freakin suck, the other team gets like 10 chopper gunners and I get screwed cuz of it.

[BritishBulldog1]

Reading all this about the need for teamwork is refreshing and reinforces my view that codboards members should use the codboards servers more, so that they can play with like minded members. Not only that, but those that play in that style on the servers, are more likely to get codboards tag holder status and to also be appointed as server admins, but there needs to be a mindset that is prepared to sit on an empty server in order to seed it and draw in more players.

For those that have united offensive, check out the codboards Heat of Battle server for UO. There should be a good game on that server Saturday night. Points in HoB:UO are especially rewarding for those that cap, prevent caps and defend the objectives.

BB1

[Mig]

Because killstreaks don't count towards killstreaks anymore people are too afraid to venture out. To get a good KD ratio in Black Ops you have to camp, that's why camping has hit new heights.

[manhunter]

I have an overall 1.06 ratio and I'm almost always moving around and I'm not that good.

[Prussian Iron]

I have an overall 1.06 ratio and I'm almost always moving around and I'm not that good.

he said good kdr. like over 1.20 probably would be above average. I think mines in the like 1.27-ish range.

[Gus]

After all this camping talk i could sure go for a roasted weiner and a s'more:icon_eek:

[manhunter]

mmmm, I like the sounds of that, I'm in

[outlawbmj]

Reading all this about the need for teamwork is refreshing and reinforces my view that codboards members should use the codboards servers more, so that they can play with like minded members. Not only that, but those that play in that style on the servers, are more likely to get codboards tag holder status and to also be appointed as server admins, but there needs to be a mindset that is prepared to sit on an empty server in order to seed it and draw in more players.

For those that have united offensive, check out the codboards Heat of Battle server for UO. There should be a good game on that server Saturday night. Points in HoB:UO are especially rewarding for those that cap, prevent caps and defend the objectives.

BB1


I play primarily team deathmatch so you can camp but not for a long time because everyone is all over the map all the time. I do try to assist teammembers whenever possible. I even revive teammembers whenever possible. There is nothing worse in my opinion than a teammember who will not revive you even though he is standing in front of you. I don't even know how many times I have revived a teammate and I have never been revived even one time. Teamwork is out the window anymore. Second Chance is disabled in my crouch servers so there is no opportunity to revive or be revived. However, I am happy to say the teamwork in those servers is pretty good.

[russ]

How do you revive a teammate in BOPS.

[Fabulouscoops]

How do you revive a teammate in BOPS.

First, they need to have Second Chance enabled as a perk. When they "die" a white "revive" sign appears over their heads. Anyone can then go to them and hold the "Use" key to bring them back.

I never revive teammates because I hate second chance with a passion. I want them to die like I do.

[russ]

First, they need to have Second Chance enabled as a perk. When they "die" a white "revive" sign appears over their heads. Anyone can then go to them and hold the "Use" key to bring them back.

I never revive teammates because I hate second chance with a passion. I want them to die like I do.

Thanks for that info,so i dont have to have second chance to revive a teammate.

[Prussian Iron]

Thanks for that info,so i dont have to have second chance to revive a teammate.

nope. in World at War you did, but not now.

[russ]

cheers for that.

[outlawbmj]

First, they need to have Second Chance enabled as a perk. When they "die" a white "revive" sign appears over their heads. Anyone can then go to them and hold the "Use" key to bring them back.

I never revive teammates because I hate second chance with a passion. I want them to die like I do.

So you would rather a teammate with second chance die right in front of you because you don't like to use second chance? That's taking 2 steps back in the teamwork department. By letting them die needlessly you are contributing to the enemy's body count and overall points. I guess it doesn't matter except the fact we were just talking about teamwork. I've had guys I revived turn around and save my ass. I don't mind second chance at all. There is so much BS in this game with the hit counters, views, lag, and general overall crap that it doesn't hurt to get a kill out of second chance every now and then. It doesn't work often and in Black Ops you can't survive second chance without being revived unlike MW2 where you could wait it out if nobody shot you.

I also think second chance is a minor perk anyway. Its possible to get shot fall to the ground and not immediately be killed. Real soldiers can get shot in various parts of their bodies, fall to the ground, continue to fire at the enemy and then bleed out. I'm sure its happened many times before. Its definitely more realistic that a throwing hatchet, ballistic knife, or crossbow with explosive tips. There is nothing more unrealistic to me than some guy throwing a hatchet up in the air, it flies 100 yards then hits someone on the move in the head. There is nothing worse in this game than a ballistic knifer who does nothing but run around the map as fast as bossible shooting or stabbing people with the balistic knife.

I enjoy my crounch servers where the only problem I still have to worry about is the fact that it takes anywhere from 3-30 bullets to kill someone with no realistic reason why it takes 3 or 30. I've popped guys on the move with 3 bullets from my Aug and killed them and shot others in the back with an entire clip to no affect. This game is really off in its hit counters. There seems to be no real explanation why 3 bullets kill one time and 30 can't kill the next. In my opinion, Black Ops is the most incosistent, glitchy/twitchy, and laggy COD game to date. It is fun when it is working right but man can it be rediculous sometimes.

[HeadCase43]

I'm currently writing a paper for my psych class about this very subject: CAMPING.

Here's my take on it-

Hiding in a corner behind your claymore is cowardice. Plain and simple. Unless you are openly acknowledging that you are not good at the game, you are simply a coward. It's a game. If you're THAT afraid to take a "death" in a video game that you'll simply hide in a corner, I'd hate to see how you are in a real-life situation.

Camping to cover an avenue of approach is understandable and a good, sound tactic if you can coordinate your fire with teammates. Just don't get mad when you get tubed when doing it.

Sniping is a legit form of camping because you most certainly ARE NOT going to go CQB with a sniper rifle. Quick-scoping is idiotic. (I long for the days of the Blackhawk Down games when a sniper actually had to account for wind and distance).

Camping wouldn't bother me so much if campers didn't boast so much. "I pwnd U n00b" is the dumbest thing a camper can say. Camping requires the least amount of skill. I could go 23-2 on a regular basis while eating a pizza if I wanted to just by camping. I've done it! I was hungry and liked the lobby I was in. It's just too easy. Nothing to brag about.

All that being sad:

Tubers -

If using a tube to counter campers, then good on you. I believe that is a legit use for them. If you're just running around trying to get easy kills, then you get zero skill points.

Running and gunning-

I'm always on the move. But I utilize whatever cover's available to me. If I have to break cover, I throw flash bangs out and bound. I play tactically. It's hard to do sometimes with the lack of teamwork and all that, but it suits me just fine.

Bottom Line...

... everyone plays differently. We all have our opinions. As long as you don't hack or mod, then you're fine in my book. I might trash talk a camper who starts btagging about how he "owns" and then I get to hear all of the justifications as to why they camp. My favorite is: "In the military, they don't just run out and get shot!" Agreed. We moved tactically and took down an objective as a team, BUT... in my 10 years of service to my country I have never had a training instructor tell me to plant a claymore in a doorway and hide in a corner with a shotgun. I would likely get my ass kicked if I tried that tactic on a battlefield. To defend an area, we would cover all avenues of approach and coordinate inter-locking fields of fire... but NEVER hide in a corner.

That's my take on it.

[russ]

Good post lots of good points to take in thank you.

[Fabulouscoops]

My basic problem with second chance is that when you "kill" them, they go down pressing the trigger on a pistol they magically pull out instantly and have steady aim at the person who killed them.

If there was a delay while they switched guns and they were disoriented, like using the opposite hand and shaking a little (like Tom Hanks at the end of Saving Private Ryan) then it would be realistic. The way it is is just annoying.

And headcase: I would be a little more impartial if you intend to write a paper on camping. Coming at it with a bias is bad journalism.

[Deadly]

I see a lot of your points, but...like Scoops said, try to remove as much bias as you can.

You're really not impartial to the subject, and it's quite obvious. xD

[HeadCase43]

[QUOTE

And headcase: I would be a little more impartial if you intend to write a paper on camping. Coming at it with a bias is bad journalism.[/QUOTE]


This isn't my paper, this is a forum. In journalism, one can have an opinion yet remain impartial in a professioanl atmosphere.

Case in point:

I'm a die-hard Blackhawks' fan. If I were an analyst on TV, I could not express my undying love for the Hawks during a telecast while breaking down the finer points of hockey.

For my paper I can come at it impartially, even though I do believe corner camping is cowardice. That's why I want these campers to come out and explain why they do it so I can get an understanding of the camper mentality.

[Fabulouscoops]

While I do not have the patience to camp effectively, I see it as an effective strategy for some players. Poor campers get one or two kills then die, effective campers can get impressive kill streaks. A lot of players view camping derisively but they are some of the same ones who bunny hop and corner jump which is worse than sitting in a corner.

The goal of TDM is to get more kills than deaths. If you get a claymore kill and a weapon kill before dying, then you accomplished your goal and can claim a 2.00 k/d Not a bad strategy to be a plus for your team.

Camping in many of the objective based games is the preferred way to play. You would be stupid not to camp. Why roam around the map when you know for sure that the enemy will come to you and that if you leave your post, they will come and capture your team's HQ or flag. In Demolition and Sabotage, would you plant the bomb then walk away? Or hide in a corner and pick off potential defusers.

[BritishBulldog1]

I think we have to differentiate between the two different types of camping. There are those that camp to defend a particular objective, or camp a route that the enemy take to get to an objective and there are those that camp on the off chance that some hapless enemy will come into view.

The first type is legitimate camping that should be lauded and appreciated IMHO. These campers are not not lone wolves just trying to rack up the kills, but are also playing a team game. Having said that, they shouldn't remain camped if the team needs someone to assist at an objective.

The second type, is the type I believe Headcase43 is aiming his comments at. These are the lone wolves who are only interested in their own kill/death ratio and have no interest in assisting the team.

BB1

[HeadCase43]

I think we have to differentiate between the two different types of camping. There are those that camp to defend a particular objective, or camp a route that the enemy take to get to an objective and there are those that camp on the off chance that some hapless enemy will come into view.

The first type is legitimate camping that should be lauded and appreciated IMHO. These campers are not not lone wolves just trying to rack up the kills, but are also playing a team game. Having said that, they shouldn't remain camped if the team needs someone to assist at an objective.

The second type, is the type I believe Headcase43 is aiming his comments at. These are the lone wolves who are only interested in their own kill/death ratio and have no interest in assisting the team.

BB1


Tango Yankee, Sir. Glad you get it.

[outlawbmj]

Truthfully, I don't have a problem with any camping except spawn camping. Camping at known spawnpoints and killing people as they spawn in is just wrong any way you look at it. Spawning in Black Ops is problematic to say the least. In Grid for example, people are constantly roaming the back of the map where people spawn in killing them as they spawn in. Everyone knows that is a spawnpoint for an enemy team and yet people are always perched in a window, on steps or camped around the corner from that spawn point waiting for someone to spawn in or walk 10 feet from their spawn in. Obviosuly spawning in Nuketown is a problem. If you spawn camp you are a loser. Nobody will admit to spawncamping but a lot of people do it. I have absolutely no problem with guarding a bulding or trying to stake a claim to a specific area of the map and camping out there. I also think it is fun to try and remove people who are camping and trying to hold a building or specific area of the map. Running around the map in circles out in the open trying to knife as many people as possible, dolphin diving and spraying machinegun fire is just dumb and unrealistic. Camping is a legitimate strategy.

[HeadCase43]

I'm having absolutely no luck with my paper because I can't get any campers to just own up to the fact that they actually camp and explain why they camp. I'm talking about Team Death Match corner campers here. I understand the concept of objective based camping. Sniping makes all the sense in the world. I'll never hate on a sniper for sniping.

If corner camping is such a shameful endeavor that people can't just come clean about it and explain it without the denial and the defensive attitude, then I have to ask... Why do it?

[russ]

I think it could be that they are so ingrossed in the game that they think it is real and are scared of getting killed,forgetting it's a game and you come back on.

[Gus]

camping is like fishing or hunting cast your bait and wait on the prey , climb into your tree stand and wait for the prey. run and gun spray and pray requires zero skill its all luck . when camping crank up the volume put on the head phones and listen to where the targets are approaching from and get a confirmed kill

[HeadCase43]

I couldn't disagree with you more, Gus. My 7 year old son can go 17-2 by camping. I've done it before and got a nuke while eating a sandwich playing MW2. I went 21-3 while brewing a pot of coffee. Camping requires almost no effort whatsoever. That.... and it's boring. Nothing worse than getting into a game where after the whole ten-minutes have gone by the final score is 3800 - 2100. This is my opinion... and it's NOT going to be reflected in my paper ... that camping in a TDM is a sign of absolute cowardice. It's a game. If someone had a gun to a family member's head and said: "If you die in this game, I pull the trigger" then I'd understand camping. If there was a bomb under your chair and it was set to go off if you die in-game... then cool. CAMP AWAY. But it's a game. Adopting insurgent-like tactics in a video game screams of inadequacy. To put it simply:

No one is going to convince me of their "Alpha Male" status by camping in a video game.

Oh, and those of you who keep saying: "No one is going to run out in the open in real life" I want you to spend an entire summer hunting insurgents in an urban environment. To advance on the enemy it is often necessary to break cover and bound forward. In my 10 years of service I was never once ordered to sit in a corner behind a claymore and wait. And when an enemy force is camped up in a structure we clear it out. If there's close air support available, we bomb them out. But in CoD one can simply run into a house and be safe from an airstrike (Which makes no sense to me). So for all you campers trying to justify your petty skill-set by using military tactics as a justification... STOP IT.

And nobody has even been able to explain to me their justification for camping except for Gus. Although I disagree with him COMPLETELY, I appreciate him taking the time to give me a response.

[manhunter]

I think the only justification for camping is to get a good score, not to actually have fun

[Gus]

I couldn't disagree with you more, Gus. My 7 year old son can go 17-2 by camping. I've done it before and got a nuke while eating a sandwich playing MW2. I went 21-3 while brewing a pot of coffee. Camping requires almost no effort whatsoever. That.... and it's boring. Nothing worse than getting into a game where after the whole ten-minutes have gone by the final score is 3800 - 2100. This is my opinion... and it's NOT going to be reflected in my paper ... that camping in a TDM is a sign of absolute cowardice. It's a game. If someone had a gun to a family member's head and said: "If you die in this game, I pull the trigger" then I'd understand camping. If there was a bomb under your chair and it was set to go off if you die in-game... then cool. CAMP AWAY. But it's a game. Adopting insurgent-like tactics in a video game screams of inadequacy. To put it simply:

No one is going to convince me of their "Alpha Male" status by camping in a video game.

Oh, and those of you who keep saying: "No one is going to run out in the open in real life" I want you to spend an entire summer hunting insurgents in an urban environment. To advance on the enemy it is often necessary to break cover and bound forward. In my 10 years of service I was never once ordered to sit in a corner behind a claymore and wait. And when an enemy force is camped up in a structure we clear it out. If there's close air support available, we bomb them out. But in CoD one can simply run into a house and be safe from an airstrike (Which makes no sense to me). So for all you campers trying to justify your petty skill-set by using military tactics as a justification... STOP IT.

And nobody has even been able to explain to me their justification for camping except for Gus. Although I disagree with him COMPLETELY, I appreciate him taking the time to give me a response.


I only play camper when i play lan with my 3 sons , because it pisses them off .
As for internet play i prefer to be on the move . Honestly playing camper is very boring .

[outlawbmj]

I only play camper when i play lan with my 3 sons , because it pisses them off .
As for internet play i prefer to be on the move . Honestly playing camper is very boring .


Don't justify yourself to him Gus. He doesn't need our opinion for his paper because he already knows everything there is to know about everything. In real life bullets kill. You can't run through 20 feet of gunfire to stab someone and you would be more cautious running around out in the open in real life because you would actually die when shot and it wouldn't take a whole clip of bullets either. We all know its a game. Pointing out constantly that it is a game is redundent and obvious. I have to laugh whenever I see a knifer run 20 feet through M60 fire to stab me. In real ife he would never get near me. He would be dead with one bullet and cut in haf by three but in COD land he can take 30 hits while running but only 3 while standing still. This is not Unreal Tournament or Halo. This is supposed to be a modern warfare simulation game. Modern Warfare 2 was actually called by the media the most realistic modern warfare game to date complete with 100 year old dual weilding shotguns and speedknifers.

Some people like to play more realistically and and die less and others like to play like dying doesn't matter. I do not consider a match a success when I have 20 kills and 21 deaths. I just played several rounds with a bunch of jerks that never even bothered to use guns. I swear half the people in the game were knifing and nothing else. They spent every round running around at superspeed deflecting bullets like they had shields from Star Trek or something shooting knives from the ballistic knife and stabbing people. They have turned Call of Duty into a child's game when it was we adults who liked to play COD games that put it on the map playing realistically in earlier versions. They wanted to make it more appealing to kids by coming up with rediculous perks and loadouts, killstreak rewards, etc. and it worked. Now tons of children play this game and servers are full of hackers and idots who are disrespectful and only know how to play the game by using those rediculous perks running arount the map dolphin diving, bunnyhopping and shooting balistic knives and throwing hatchets.

The reason I mention this is because camping is the least of this game's problems. The only reason you don't like it is because you are one of the guys who runs around out in the open dolphin diving, bunnyhopping and stabbing people. You may shoot too but I am pretty sure about the bunnyhopping and dolphin diving. People who play like that get killed by campers and it makes you mad. I don't like speed knifers and the most rediculous of all hatchet throwing. That perk is so stupid it is almost as if Treyarch decided to play a joke on the whole COD community just to see if they could get away with it. This game used to be about tactics, skill and strategy. Now it is about hacking, spawnkilling, chance encounters, speedknifing and killstreak rewards. Stop whining about your paper and how we are not helping when you don't want to hear what other people think and argue with what they do say. Gus' analogy about camping was a good one. Also, I don't need to convince you of my "alpha male" status. I am confident in my "alpha male" status and it has nothing to do with this game and doesn't require your convincing. I camp and I don't care if anyone likes or dislikes it any more than the speedknifers, dolphin divers, and bunnyhoppers care about what I like.

[Mr_Ray]

My thought after reading most of this is that quite simply this paper isnt going to be worth a pinch of crap unless we all agree with his bias. I wont contribute to this with another word. The question was asked, people responded but not in the manner that suits his paper? F that. You want to talk objectively? Being biased is not being objective and your paper will fail. Good luck in real life.

[HeadCase43]

Don't justify yourself to him Gus. He doesn't need our opinion for his paper because he already knows everything there is to know about everything. In real life bullets kill. You can't run through 20 feet of gunfire to stab someone and you would be more cautious running around out in the open in real life because you would actually die when shot and it wouldn't take a whole clip of bullets either. We all know its a game. Pointing out constantly that it is a game is redundent and obvious. I have to laugh whenever I see a knifer run 20 feet through M60 fire to stab me. In real ife he would never get near me. He would be dead with one bullet and cut in haf by three but in COD land he can take 30 hits while running but only 3 while standing still. This is not Unreal Tournament or Halo. This is supposed to be a modern warfare simulation game. Modern Warfare 2 was actually called by the media the most realistic modern warfare game to date complete with 100 year old dual weilding shotguns and speedknifers.

Some people like to play more realistically and and die less and others like to play like dying doesn't matter. I do not consider a match a success when I have 20 kills and 21 deaths. I just played several rounds with a bunch of jerks that never even bothered to use guns. I swear half the people in the game were knifing and nothing else. They spent every round running around at superspeed deflecting bullets like they had shields from Star Trek or something shooting knives from the ballistic knife and stabbing people. They have turned Call of Duty into a child's game when it was we adults who liked to play COD games that put it on the map playing realistically in earlier versions. They wanted to make it more appealing to kids by coming up with rediculous perks and loadouts, killstreak rewards, etc. and it worked. Now tons of children play this game and servers are full of hackers and idots who are disrespectful and only know how to play the game by using those rediculous perks running arount the map dolphin diving, bunnyhopping and shooting balistic knives and throwing hatchets.

The reason I mention this is because camping is the least of this game's problems. The only reason you don't like it is because you are one of the guys who runs around out in the open dolphin diving, bunnyhopping and stabbing people. You may shoot too but I am pretty sure about the bunnyhopping and dolphin diving. People who play like that get killed by campers and it makes you mad. I don't like speed knifers and the most rediculous of all hatchet throwing. That perk is so stupid it is almost as if Treyarch decided to play a joke on the whole COD community just to see if they could get away with it. This game used to be about tactics, skill and strategy. Now it is about hacking, spawnkilling, chance encounters, speedknifing and killstreak rewards. Stop whining about your paper and how we are not helping when you don't want to hear what other people think and argue with what they do say. Gus' analogy about camping was a good one. Also, I don't need to convince you of my "alpha male" status. I am confident in my "alpha male" status and it has nothing to do with this game and doesn't require your convincing. I camp and I don't care if anyone likes or dislikes it any more than the speedknifers, dolphin divers, and bunnyhoppers care about what I like.

Oh, so because I don't camp I must be one of those guys who just runs around and knifes people? And in reality US military personnel DO NOT hide in corners behind claymores. I don't have to be a know-it-all to know that. I just spent 10 years living MODERN WARFARE. You just proved one of my points outlaw. You're a self-proclaimed "camper" and instead of just giving a decent reason for camping, you get all defensive. I just played about 6 rounds of team death match without camping and my WORST personal score was 13-6. I don't run around the map like an idiot. I don't dual weild shotguns or just try and knife everything that moves. BUT I MOVE. In reality, mobility IS LIFE. I move tactically. If I know there is going to be an area infested with you creepy little BETA MALE campers, I frag, flash, and clear. My loadout is usually a silenced SMG (preferably the AK-74), semtex or frag, flashbangs, China Lake (which REALLY seems to irritate you campers:icon_biggrin:), Claymore (I like to leave a little booby trap for campers. I'm usually on the other side of the map before my claymore goes off). My perks: Ghost Pro, Sleight of Hand Pro, and Hacker Pro. No Marathon Pro or Lightweight Pro like the guys who just run around and knife. No Final Stand for the cheap, easy kill. None of that. You know, Outlaw, those things you seem to be "not" whining about. I do dive though because... well... hitting the dirt is what one should do when caught in the open and taking fire. That WAS part of my training:icon_biggrin:.

As for Gus:
I may have disagreed with your feedback on a personal note, but your feedback WAS appreciated (which I think I stated in my previous post, but Outlaw didn't seem to pay any attention to that).

[HeadCase43]

My thought after reading most of this is that quite simply this paper isnt going to be worth a pinch of crap unless we all agree with his bias. I wont contribute to this with another word. The question was asked, people responded but not in the manner that suits his paper? F that. You want to talk objectively? Being biased is not being objective and your paper will fail. Good luck in real life.

Whatever bias I express here WILL not be expressed in my paper once I turn it in. Here's reasons I've gotten so far:

From these boards:

For a better score (a reason supplied by someone saying they were not a camper)

To irritate his kids (a reason supplied by someone who does not camp when playing an online match)

To get a high score yet not supply the opposing team with a higher score, ie... going 20-21. (makes sense)

These are all reasons I can write about, however ...

Here's what responses I typically get when in-game:

"Eat a d#ck!" - that was last night

"I don't camp!" - the most typical response I get.

"I paid $60 for this game, I'll play it any way I want to!" This response came after I simply asked "Do you find camping more enjoyable than going out and finding a kill?" I even had my notebook in hand ready to hear his thoughts!

The reason my prof let me write about this subject was because he overheard several of us after his class talking about CoD and he happened to come in while we were talking about the pros and cons of the game. Like the things that Outlaw mentioned about knifers and people running around like idiots, hackers, glitchers, spawn campers, and campers. Campers are easy kills for me. I use Hacker Pro, so I usually can find them quite easily. I made a statement that my professor heard and he wanted me to follow up on it. I had said: "I love it when a camper talks trash after a game about how awesome he is when really all he did was hide the whole game. Campers are probably the types of people who talk trash in a bar, and then hide under the pool table once a fight breaks out." Something to that effect. Because of that statement, my professor thought it would be a great topic for a paper. Period.

Of all the people that I know personally who also play CoD and I've had the opportunity to play with online, my statement had a little bit of merit to it. My friends from my military days that I served with and deployed with don't camp. They play like I do (with the exception of 1 who must ALWAYS be a sniper because, in reality, he's a sniper). People I know from my civilian job play in many different manners. The ones who are big-mouths at work and go out to the clubs and have an over-inflated sense of themselves... CAMP. One of those guys actually DID talk trash to a guy at a bar, got punched in the mouth, and DID NOTHING. Yet he's still talking. The people I know that might jump on maybe once a week, well ... they die. ALOT. They don't know what camping is really. They just move about the map and try to kill who they find and if they don't, they just laugh and say funny stuff like: "Did you see that?! I think he just took my wallet too!"

I can write an unbiased paper. I just need more to go on.

[woowoo]

The following "interview" was posted about Bad Company 2 but applies here as well:

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Today, BASHandSlash.com brings you an up-close and personal interview with Shisty, aka SnotNose, the BFBC2 "Self-Absorbed Sniper".

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BS: SnotNose, Thanks for sitting down and talking to us today about being a Recon Class player. Um, may I call you Snot for this interview?

SnotNose: It's your dime. By the way, I resent being called a Recon Class player.

BS: Oh. What do you prefer?

SnotNose: Scope or sniper. I don't do "recon".

BS: Well, as a "scope", Snot, you don't seem to be team-focused. You never take objectives or, for that matter, move much out of your position. You rarely score above the lower third in any game and more often you are on the losing end of most rounds. However, you are highly representative of a sniper sub-class that seems to be multiplying in BFBC2 pubs all across the community. Why are there are so many fellow snipers that seem to want to emulate your philosophy?

SnotNose: There's more to my game than simple stats, Jock. I play with a focused, self-interested detachment that excludes everyone around me. I'm a "self-absorbed Sniper" dude. It's an attitude that seems to appeal to many players.

BS: But isn't BFBC2 a team game?

SnotNose: Not if you don't let it be one.

BS: I don't understand.

SnotNose: It's all the way you look at things. For example, road-kill could be Filet-Mignon if you concentrated hard enough. Some people think that BFBC2 is a team-oriented FPS game, but my brain just blocks out the people around me. I've had this since I was a teen. I think it's a medical thing. It's as though they weren't there. For others, it takes a bit of practice. A good "S-A" sniper can turn any objective-based game into Death Match. It's all about focus and clearly, there are many that appreciate this outlook on the game.

BS: What's the key to your lack of success? Specifically, your strategy on the attack?

SnotNose: I form an empty squad with just me in it and then lock it so no one can join. Once I spawn into game, I usually just find a rock with a nearby shrub at the far end of my spawn and snipe infantry or call in arty onto slow moving armor. The shrub is the key.

BS: That's it?

SnotNose: Yup.

BS: You don't move up? Or try and support the offense? How do you expect to win if you don't move forward?

SnotNose: Quite honestly, "moving up" is for suckers. I think I'm having a successful game if I don't move my sniping-ass two feet. To be honest, I don't even have my "W" key bound to anything. Winning for me is getting headshots and a bitchin' K/D ratio.

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BS: Speaking of tactics, do you have any good "spots" you can tell us about.

SnotNose: Number one, you can never be "too far" from the action. Second, if I can't find a rock with a shrub in my spawn, the next best thing is to hide behind a medic. They're slow and that red beret makes them a good target. The medic is usually the first guy people shoot anyway, so this is a good tactic.

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Another tip is to huddle together with fellow snipers on rocks overlooking the other team. If there are say, six or seven other snipers with you, the odds that someone will shoot you are really low.

BS: What gun do you use?

SnotNose: The GOL with 12x magnification and magnum ammo. That spells pwnage.

BS: Do you use a spotting scope?

SnotNose: Do fishermen tell other fishermen, where the fish are? No. Of course not. Why would I give you the exact whereabouts of all my fish? Those are my fish. My fish.

BS: Um. Good point. I guess you're not exactly a team player, are you?

SnotNose: I like to think that I'm following the first rule of FPS gaming: self preservation. I'm looking out for Snot.

BS: How many snipers should you have on a team?

SnotNose: One. Me.

BS: If you had to choose any other class/position what would it be?

SnotNose: Other than Ron Jeremy's stunt double, no question: UAV pilot. No chance of dying and you can take out tanks with a hellfire. Firing Gustavs at infantry from deep inside concrete buildings is also cool.

BS: Is there one class of players you especially have trouble against?

SnotNose: Not really. I usually just get "selfd" a lot.

BS: Selfd?

SnotNose: I suicide myself rather than giving someone the satisfaction of fragging me. It's all part of the self-absorbed philosophy.

BS: Do you have any role models? Anyone you have looked up to that has influenced your play?

SnotNose: Jay Leno of course. Britney Spears...she gave up her kids for her career. That's something I can relate to. And maybe Christopher Reeve, before he fell off his horse.

BS: Not really what I was looking for, but that was insightful. Thanks for talking to us.

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[HeadCase43]

Pretty much! That's hilarious!

[BritishBulldog1]

This thread is degenerating into a name calling thread. Please watch the tone of your replies as it in danger of being locked.

BB1

[HeadCase43]

This thread is degenerating into a name calling thread. Please watch the tone of your replies as it in danger of being locked.

BB1

Roger. Wilco.

[outlawbmj]

Okay lets take it down a notch. The reason I camp is I hate being wormed. My definition of being wormed is simply being shot in the back by one player as I am shooting another player, being shot by someone who spawned in behind me, someone throwing a grenade halfway across the map blindly that just happens to land by me, speedknifers running twice as fast as the game should allow knifing people in the open, etc. When I camp I don't hide behind a claymore. In fact, most of the speed knifers run right through claymores with the flack jacket perk. I use the flack jacket perk because it counters all the grenades and arrows people throw or shoot into the building tryng to get me out of a building. I like to take a position and defend it. Because of the killcam people know where I am at so my position is revealed. I often kill the same people over and over again who try to exact revenge on me. I do move when I camp. In Nuketown I will hold a house for example going from window to door to downstairs, etc. patrolling the area. When several members of my team are in a house I will setup a claymore and take defensive position guarding their backs. I even revive teammembers who go down with second chance although nobody ever revives me. I never understand this since letting me die gives points to the other team and they actually get points for reviving me.

My point is that everyone plays this game different. Some people like running and knifing. Some people like running around and shooting. Some people like to play more cautiously and some people like to camp. The same arguments that can be made agains camping can be made against speedknifing, sniping, spray & pray, etc. In fact, sniping (at least normal sniping) is really difficult because people are runnign around the map so fast. MW2 had quickscoping which was a little rediculous but Black Ops has lost a lot of sniping capabilities because they dialed back the ability to quickscope one-shot-one kill and people run so fast its hard to track them through the scope. However, there are a lot of sniper only tactical servers available if you prefer to snipe. In my opinion, COD used to be a tactical combat game requiring skill and the ability to shoot. We have become so perked out in the last two games that you don't even need to use a gun to play the game and many people don't use guns at all. To me, there is something wrong with playing a COD game and not needing to use a gun. I played about 15 rounds with a dude tonight that never pulled a gun once. He ran around with a ballistic knife stabbing people at super speed. When I say superspeed I mean really fast possible even hacking fast. He was extremely difficult to track at shoot with an AK47 and the bullets just seemed to bounce off him. The only way to kill this guy was to be behind him while he was running away or with some kind of killstreak reward. I napalmed him several times as well as mortered and helicoptered him but if he was coming at you there was no chance. No matter if it works in this game or not I simply can't imagine a soldier running around the battlefield at superspeed deflecting bullets knifing people to death. To me its a disgrace to the franchise to have such a rediculous perk in the game seconded only by the throwing hatchet. Knives are supposed to be tactical and used for sneaking up on people not as an unstoppable superweapon. It may be fun for those doing it in this game but it has turned a tactical modern warfare simulation into a modern day version of halo.

Also, some of the perks allow you to move around the map so fast that you always have someone behind you or popping up beside you that weren't there a second ago. They don't call it "run and gun" for nothing. You can't really move around the map tactically clearing areas of the map looking for people because you are always getting spawned in on from an area you just cleared or people are running so fast that they show up in an area you cleared a second after you cleared it. Camping or choosing an area of the map or building to hold allows you some control of the BS kills from speedknifers and people running and gunning. Its that simple. Because I use flack jacket I very rarely die from grenades of any kind including the china lake. I am usually taken out by speedknifers who charge through my claymores and 20-30 bullets to stab me. It seems a bit unrealistic to me to charge 20 feet through machine gun fire to stab someone any way you look at it.

[projekt3000]

^^Completely agreed.

In any FPS game, you've got players who decide they want to make a "class" that fits their playing style. Everyone has them. Some like to noob tube, some speed knife, others rush to the opponent's spawn point, others stay back and snipe.

I hate campers as much as the next person, believe me. However, I'm not as naive as to say that I've never done it. Sometimes, it's necessary depending on what your teammates are playing like. The game flow constantly is in flux, mostly depending on whom you're teamed up with and the map you're placed in.

[angel653922]

Pretty much! That's hilarious!

[russ]

I find camping is an ideal time and way to drink your tea and eat you sandwich.Jokes aside the server admins could put say a 20 second time limit on camping and if you dont move you get kicked for inactivity.On our servers OGHF we allow camping.

[projekt3000]

I find camping is an ideal time and way to drink your tea and eat you sandwich.Jokes aside the server admins could put say a 20 second time limit on camping and if you dont move you get kicked for inactivity.On our servers OGHF we allow camping.

I do like that idea however, for console gamers this will never be a possibility.

[ump45guru]

it is true the campers are getting bad in Black Ops! I just went back and played some MW2 last night and it seems the game play has gotten alot better. Still the old irritations like dual ranger runners but alot less campers! I bounce between each game now go back to MW2 when i get tired of campers and hit black ops when i get sick of noob tubers!

[WhiteLion02]

it is true the campers are getting bad in Black Ops! I just went back and played some MW2 last night and it seems the game play has gotten alot better. Still the old irritations like dual ranger runners but alot less campers! I bounce between each game now go back to MW2 when i get tired of campers and hit black ops when i get sick of noob tubers!

Campers are bad on black ops
Noob tubes on MW2
5 year olds on WaW
and team killers on MW

Its always the players and usually not the game D:
I tend to hop between all 4 myself