The Holocaust

[LtSounders]

I have often heard ideas that the holocaust was not such a tragedy and that the Jewish race in particular "had it coming". I strongly disagree with this and find it very disrespectful to the survivors of this time. No one disserved such a fate. Our society is overshadowing the sacrifice of the Holocaust and racism is develloping within our society

The question I pose is there a chance that a similar holocaut could happen today? Or a large racist movement? Our society has these opportunitys and I beleive world society as a whole must make a change to accept all cultures.

[imported_[T]huG4LiFe]

:doh: the holacaust was un-justified they didnt deserve it they was just like me and you normal people and den 1 day sum1 had the bright idea that they didnt like em (hitler) coz the jews were stealing his b*tches and he got pissed and slaughtered thousands of them thats wrong :doh: racist pr|ck

[Kobayashi]

I would hope no-one with intentions of massacring millions of people could ever get into office in a democracy, but in some countries similar slaughters are happening even today...look at the Congo.

[papa_kulikov]

i dont think this could happen again on a large scale.................someone would stop such a thing from happening

[imported_palags]

papa_kulikov - thoose days many were thinking the same until it really strated to happen. And people didn't belive that a second world war could come because world war one brought such suffering and deaths and many didn't belive that someone will ever let that happen again. But it happened and it was even more beastly than the first world war :(

[imported_Matbacon]

Hitler was a F-u-c-k-i-n-g racises man i'm glad hes dead

[Blade]

I don't think another holocaust could happen at this day on such a large scale, but if (or when) the United States is no longer the superpower of the world, and countries like China come into power, then, well, anything could happen.

[imported_palags]

But if a stupid assh*le dictator like hitler became a president of america, then ... well ... anything can happen :)

[illeagle]

Originally posted by palags@Mar 7 2004, 02:51 PM
But if a stupid assh*le dictator like hitler became a president of america, then ... well ... anything can happen :)
Not in a democracy, pal. The president isn't in charge of EVERYTHING.

[Blade]

Originally posted by palags@Mar 8 2004, 12:51 AM
But if a stupid assh*le dictator like hitler became a president of america, then ... well ... anything can happen :)
The President cant do absolutely anything (as Illeagle said), and I don't see why the people would vote a stupid evil dictator into power in the first place...

[imported_palags]

I really wanted to say not became a president but took over the country. I know this is allmost impossible but like i said anything can happen. :D

I have a great book at home. It is called "How SS proceeded..." (can't really translate this from latvian "Tā rīkojās SS" :) ). This book is about the holocaust. It has statistics, interrogations, POW (prisoner-of-ware) and concentration camp surivor stories, law-suits from tribunals, documents, photos (creates the atmosphere of the book :) ) and other great information. Before i read this book i didn't know the holocaust was so horrible.

[Blade]

We saw it all at school, the bulldozers pushing piles of mangled dead jews, the lot. Nasty stuff :(

[LtSounders]

The US is in avery dangerous position, they could make or break the world. Example, Bush was elected by a very minor number of votes which there is still a contreversy over, Bush was the one who started the "War on Terroism" and attacked Iraq, the outcome could of changed if a democrat was in office. Many people disagreed with Iraq and it may not have been a representation of the populations opinion though the Bush administraton still got it's way. A situation like this could easily happen today in a different form that may be more serious and deadly. Thus another holocaust or prejudice/oppresive movement could happen.

[imported_palags]

Offtopic, but i like it :) :

War on terrorism is terrorism

Great :P

[LtSounders]

Nice way to put it lol

[Cdon]

Yes the holocaust was a terrible, terrible thing but what you children are taught is exagerated. Sure Hitler was bad, but he wasn't the worst. Have any of you ever heard of Stalin, Joseph Kony in Uganda, or the current and past situations in North Korea. Did you kids even know that to the North Koreans, we are "Nazi, Imperialist Americans." They're are so brainwashed by their leader, that they believe there are death camps in America and that Bush is Hitler's equal. They also believe that we are warmongers and that there won't be peace until ever American is dead...

But let's not worry about that, right? We just have to focus on Hitler because he was an evil German Nazi who killed the Jews, even though Stalin killed more...of his own people.

And BTW, the Germans weren't the only ones to hate and kill the Jews.

[LtSounders]

What! Over exagerated!??? I'm afraid to see your point the holocaust was the biggest genecide of modern times. Men like stalin were no comparison. The holocaust was not propaganda it's fact, theres too much proof to deny this...DO NOT DOWNSIZE THE HOLOCAUST AND IT'S IMPORTANCE!

[Cdon]

Importance? What importance? That he decided to kill the poor little jews. Was it really just because he thought they were different? Is it just because of "racism?" Is that the only big thing to blame people of now? Hitler killed for his own people, Stalin starved his own! The damn Germans were starving and recieved all the blame for WW1, even though it was a bit of everyone's fault. They had to pay for the expenses of the war for themselves and everyone else. Germany was at the worst of times and then a man named Hitler came along and realized that they, along with himself, didn't deserve to go through that crap. He just got carried away.

And I never said it wasn't a big deal.

[millermagic]

I don't think another Holocause is going to happen ... or atleast aslong as this political correct crap is around. I'm sure that if a group of people is getting mistreated, someone will stop it.

[swizzlestix9]

It going on right now, the us sodiers slaughtering thousands of innocent iraqs living there daily lives. They didnt choose where they wanted to live and have never had the option of freedom. Also its completly wrong whats going on in cuba. The US holding hundereds of people in guatonamo bay. Most those people are innocent, however the few that are guilty arent being treated fairly. Since the patriot act took away the rights of those people, and they arent being charged with there crimes arent allowed to see lawyers or nothing. These are the real war crimes letting people rot down in cuba without charging them and sending them to a real prison. However a large scale like the holocaust will never happen again like it did. Its also horrible how the jews stole the palistenisans land and made there own country in the middle east now know as isreal. Yes the holocasue was bad, but the jews arent wanted and stole peoples land and are starting a new war in the middle east.

[LtSounders]

Hitler was doing us a favor by eliminating a unwanted race. Then no more racism would of exsisted. Then the US had to step in and be the tuff guy as usual.

Your comments are an insult to the Jewish race, the Jewish race did nothing wrong they are innocent!

[Neohunter]

Ok first off, I just want to say some of you are disgusting. You have no morals at all if you think a race deserves to die. No one deserves to die just because someone of their race did something. You punish the group because one made a mistake? Don't even try it. The Holocaust was serious. Hitler murdered millions of people for no reason. And he murdered them in an inhuman way. No one deserves to die like that.
And if another holocaust were to happen, I would probably start (or join) a rebellion and fight for the oppressed group.

[Kobayashi]

Originally posted by swizzlestix9@Apr 8 2004, 06:51 PM
It going on right now, the us sodiers slaughtering thousands of innocent iraqs living there daily lives. They didnt choose where they wanted to live and have never had the option of freedom. Also its completly wrong whats going on in cuba. The US holding hundereds of people in guatonamo bay. Most those people are innocent, however the few that are guilty arent being treated fairly. Since the patriot act took away the rights of those people, and they arent being charged with there crimes arent allowed to see lawyers or nothing. These are the real war crimes letting people rot down in cuba without charging them and sending them to a real prison. However a large scale like the holocaust will never happen again like it did. Its also horrible how the jews stole the palistenisans land and made there own country in the middle east now know as isreal. Yes the holocasue was bad, but the jews arent wanted and stole peoples land and are starting a new war in the middle east.

There was a 2 for 1 on testaments and teh jews only took one hehe

Hitler was doing us a favor by eliminating a unwanted race. Then no more racism would of exsisted. Then the US had to step in and be the tuff guy as usual.
Racial comments are forbidden (http://www.codboards.com/redirect.php?http://www.codboards.com/index.php?showtopic=8) on CoDBoards, consider this a verbal warning.

I don't want to see this topic degenerate into Anti-Semitism, any more of it (this goes for anybody) and I'll have to give out warning stars.

[Slava45]

Ok, yes it was a terrible thing to happen to the jews.....but the jews werent the only vitcims of the holocaust The people of the USSR suffered greatly, the war deeply impacting everybody, but the people and their love for their country united for the common good and stopped the nazi war machine. The russians would pay dearly, loosing more than 22,500,000 people, facing the most of the nazi force.
Its sad many people dont even know this (and this is something seldom taught in school, I looked in my textbook it wasnt there :pissed: )
In the 1930s Stalin's purges were a holocaust of its own. Millions of people were either killed, or sent to lobour camps in the gulag. But this is a thread about the holocaus brought about by Hitler's doing, so that is what i will talk about. Also I see that everybody knows about the concentration camps, the atrocities that happend in them, and the rounding up and mass-extermination of many jews living in areas under nazi occupation.

Other than the jews, hitler also viewed the slavic peoples as an inferior, sub-human race.
Besides from the 6 million jews killed, something like 15 million, ordinary russian civilian women, men, and children, and very large percent of Russian POWs were murderd by hitlerites.
Im sure there were soldiers in that vermacht disagreed with this, but entire Russian towns, and villages, were murdered. Of those 12 million civilians to die, it was not only from starvation, and bombing, but many were intenionally killed, and that qualifies as murder.
Many women, elderly people, and children were linded up and shot their homes, schools, ect. Also there were many cases of people being locked inside of barns, or other large buildings and being burned alive. Some were taken back to concentration camps and used for slave labor. Some of the citizens who were not tortured, raped, or killed, escaped to the woods and joined small groups of partisan resistance. For a partisan, being captured by the germans, meant being executed (all partisans who were captured were hanged by the germans)
Russian POWs had a very low chance of survival. The were treated much the same (and in some cases worse) as the allied POWs were treated by the japanease. Some russians who surrendered were just shot on site.
The invaders also targeted all forms of slavic culture. The targeted defiled, and destroyed, russian orthodox churches and other places of worship (those that had not been destroyed during stalins purges). These destroyed churches were often used as places of execution for russian citizens.

But the russsian people did not give up and they supported their country, pushing back the invaders to berlin, and gain the ultimate goal of Slava (victory) over the germans.

But because of the cold war, and the west's paranoia, hate, and fear of all things communist, the people of eastern europe go, for the most part, unrecognized.
Most of us could not even imagine what it might be like if the everybody living in the states of virginia, north carolina, maryland, and west virginia, over the period of about 3 years were killed, either in combat, or just living their lives they way they usualy do, and everybody living in the states of pennsylavnia, new hampshire, and vermont were wounded in combat.
That would be the equvilant to what happened to the U.S.S.r during ww2.
And they hardly get any recognition, thats why im making this post.
It is troubling to see how much disrespect people in the US will show to a nationality or ethnic group, usualy not even knowing much about those people. A good example of this is when I was playing a cod online and somebody, trying to be funny said, "I f**ked mother russia"...others on the server responded, "LoL", "ROFL", and "All those commie sons of b*tches deserve to die". That is disrespect on the highest level, against not just a leader, or one person, or government system, but against the country, the people and the people's love for their country, and the culture of those people. They did not fight in ww2 for Stalin, or out of fear, or because they were forced to, they fought for the land, for russia, they land they viiewed as sacred.
Usualy people in the western hemisphere will just call them "commie b*stards".

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I would also like to add that hitler was not the first to view the jewish peoples as "inferior".

The jews have been persecuted for 1000s of years. Many countries and superpowers in the past have made them scapegoats, and have blamed them for things they had nothing to do with. In a way, they did have it coming for them. Though that is a bad thing, with a such a long history of being persecuted it was just a matter of time before somedoy actually decided to kill them off rather than be prejudice against, put in ghettos, or banish them.

As for it ever happening again, not likely. The only way something on that scale could ever happen again is if the nation with the worlds strongest military, and the with the most power, did this. If they werent the strongest, other countries would come invade that country and stop this.
Right now the US is the wolds strongest, but the way our government runs this country, something like that, and on that scale could never happen.

[Slava45]

Could the moderater of this forum pleade delete the post :yup:

[Sage]

That's true, I doubt another massacre of this scale could happen again.

PS. Slava don't double post...there IS an edit button for a reason ;)

[Slava45]

Yes i use it often, and seldom double post. But because of the length of the first post, and that the second one is on a different subject than the first, I thought it would be better if i kept the second one seperate. If you want me to i will move them together, just as long as the moderater of this forum can delete the 2nd one after ive moved it to the first one

Hitler was doing us a favor by eliminating a unwanted race. Then no more racism would of exsisted. Then the US had to step in and be the tuff guy as usual.

And, eleminating the jews would NOT get rid of racism and prejudice. After got rid of the jews he would target the slavs, then he would extend his reach to africa, and he would probably target the africans, sparing only the bolnde hair-blue eyed, aryan south africans.
After that he would probably target people of oriental descent, and most likely also then muslims.
just remember this is how most racism starts
stereotypes-->prejudice-->discrimination-->racism
But no matter what racism is, and always will be ever present in our world.

[Kobayashi]

I was talking to a Polish Jew, a chap called Mayer, who survived Auschwitz today. He was subject to 6 brutal years of slave labour and random acts of cruelty, it's incredible how anyone managed to survive. At the end of it he was 18 and weighed 4 stone. He lost every member of his family in the holocaust, his mother and brothers in 1942 at a forced labour camp near his home town in Poland, his father in Auschwitz and his sister on the Baltic coast.
The strangest thing of all is that he didn't despise the German people because of it, evil begets evil, hate breeds hate - he wouldn't be brought down to the level of the Nazis.
Nobody deserves to have anything of that nature inflicted upon them ever again.

[larry]

But it goes on every day somewhere on earth -- look at that (name escape me now -I'd look it up if I weren't such a lazy wanker) Arab tribe in Northern Africa that slaughtering the black tribes - its Yugoslavia all over again there. I think the treatment of the Jews during WW2 was appalling however that kind of genocide goes on and on. More Russians died during WW2 than all the peoples of Europe. Can't we all just get along ? :no:

[AMF]

We had mini holocausts in Rwanda, Bosnia, Cambodia and Russia since WWII.

Maybe the disproportionate rate of imprisonment and executioning of african americans in parts of the USA can count as a micro holocaust.......

[AMF]

Originally posted by illeagle+Mar 7 2004, 10:04 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (illeagle @ Mar 7 2004, 10:04 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-palags@Mar 7 2004, 02:51 PM
But if a stupid assh*le dictator like hitler became a president of america, then ... well ... anything can happen :)
Not in a democracy, pal. The president isn't in charge of EVERYTHING. [/b][/quote]
No - and in america you are much better at assasinating presidents than in germany

[{NGM} PSYKO Dragon]

I see Nuclear Holocaust in the future...

[catman]

there is another halocaust. in sudan, in darfur, and chad. genocide.

[Alpha_Pasta]

True.

Any genocide is bad. However, I don't think that another on the scale of the Holocaust could happen.

[mafman124]

There is no way another holocaust could happen now. Not with the NATO peace forces and our ability to bomb and not even send in troops no way.

[catman]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(CoDB :: Alpha_Pasta @ May 20 2006, 02:55 AM) Quoted post</div><div class='quotemain'>
True.

Any genocide is bad. However, I don't think that another on the scale of the Holocaust could happen.
[/b][/quote]
well, of course, but there are deliberate killings going on.

[Nixon1]

Another Holocaust will not happen to that ammount of people since of the U.N and well it could have happened in Iraq though suddam was gassing his people and killing people his own people

[MFKR]

Another Holocaust could very well happen. With so many corrupt governments abroad, and them having somtimes psycho paths in power, you cannot say never.

[BritishBulldog1]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(MFKR @ May 25 2006, 06:23 PM) Quoted post</div><div class='quotemain'>
Another Holocaust could very well happen. With so many corrupt governments abroad, and them having somtimes psycho paths in power, you cannot say never.
[/b][/quote]

That! unfortunately, is very true.

BB1

[Tizmo]

why cant this world live in peace, why has there got to be wars/crimes/genocide? style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/thumbsdownsmileyanim.gif style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/thumbsdownsmileyanim.gif

[catman]

"were there are men, there will always be wars."

-Albert Einstein??

[Bosniac2005]

why was my post deleted?

[Tizmo]

you had one deleted? did you get a pm? if something gets deleted, you will get notified.

[BritishBulldog1]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Denis @ May 26 2006, 06:10 PM) Quoted post</div><div class='quotemain'>
why was my post deleted?
[/b][/quote]

Sorry Denis, not deleted, moved as this was taking the thread off topic. http://www.codboards.com/index.php?showtopic=11607

I didn't PM as I assumed it would show as a new post, my apologies for that.

BB1

[Real Horrorshow]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(CoDB :: Tizmo @ May 25 2006, 01:42 PM) Quoted post</div><div class='quotemain'>
why cant this world live in peace, why has there got to be wars/crimes/genocide? style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/thumbsdownsmileyanim.gif style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/thumbsdownsmileyanim.gif
[/b][/quote]

As long as starving nations are left to fend for themselves there will always be an opportunity for vile dictators to come to power.