Very interesting 9/11 theory.

[Pulse]

Do this:

Open Wordpad.exe

Switch the font to: Wingdings

Now type in Q33 and NY (ALL UPPER CASE)

The Q33 reperesents a plane hitting two towers.
The NY repersents death to ----


http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/9c/Q33_NY_-_almost_MS.svg/400px-Q33_NY_-_almost_MS.svg.png

See? Now read this:
yeah now read this:

1) New York City has 11 letters.
2) Afghanistan has 11 letters.
3) Ramsin Yuseb (The terrorist who threatened to destroy the Twin Towers in 1993) has 11 letters.
4) George W Bush has 11 letters.


This could be a mere coincidence, but this gets more interesting:
1) New York is the 11th state.
2) The first plane crashing against the Twin Towers was flight number 11.
3) Flight 11 was carrying 92 passengers. 9 + 2 = 11
4) Flight 77 which also hit Twin Towers, was carrying 65 passengers. 6+5 = 11
5) The tragedy was on September 11, or 9/11 as it is now known. 9 + 1+ 1 = 11
6) The date is equal to the US emergency services telephone number 911. 9 + 1 + 1 = 11.


Sheer coincidence..?! Read on and make up your own mind:

1) The total number of victims inside all the hi-jacked planes was 254. 2 + 5 + 4 = 11.
2) September 11 is day number 254 of the calendar year. Again 2 + 5 + 4 = 11.
3) The Madrid bombing took place on 3/11/2004. 3 + 1 + 1 + 2 + 4 = 11.
4) The tragedy of Madrid happened 911 days after the Twin Towers incident.

[Mig]

Yeah I have seen this before but what is Q33 supposed to represent?

[Br0ken]

omfg that freaked me out.

[Pulse]

q33 = the flight 33.

[relax 1.0]

(UK) BBC 9pm Tonight - 9/11 Conspiracy

[BritishBulldog1]

I posted the self same thing at MM and this is 1 of the responses I got..

I think a quick search on Google for Q33 NY reveals any number of sites disclaiming this hoax, including Snopes and the following:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wingdings

Kinda disproves that association, otherwise, there is a still a string of coincidences with the number 11.


BB1

[Pulse]

Is it only for the UK? Or is it available in the U.S./Canada. I hope it's on Canada, because I'm very interested in and 9/11 conspiracy. If not do you know where else they could be airing?

[Alpha_Pasta]

Is it only for the UK? Or is it available in the U.S./Canada. I hope it's on Canada, because I'm very interested in and 9/11 conspiracy. If not do you know where else they could be airing?

Do you believe in them?

[Pulse]

And believe what? Do you mean by believing in the conspiracy? If so, yes, I do believe in them.

[Alpha_Pasta]

And believe what? Do you mean by believing in the conspiracy? If so, yes, I do believe in them.

I did mean that, indeed. Why - can't you believe that somebody would do that? There are probably a few more people in the world that would like that to happen to America.

This seems to be more appropiate in the war zone - as the first post in your thread seems to imply discussion. Moved

:)

[Pulse]

I understand! No problem... -_-

[bartuc08]

Do this:

Open Wordpad.exe

Switch the font to: Wingdings

Now type in Q33 and NY (ALL UPPER CASE)

The Q33 reperesents a plane hitting two towers.
The NY repersents death to ----


http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/9c/Q33_NY_-_almost_MS.svg/400px-Q33_NY_-_almost_MS.svg.png

See? Now read this:
yeah now read this:

1) New York City has 11 letters.
2) Afghanistan has 11 letters.
3) Ramsin Yuseb (The terrorist who threatened to destroy the Twin Towers in 1993) has 11 letters.
4) George W Bush has 11 letters.


This could be a mere coincidence, but this gets more interesting:
1) New York is the 11th state.
2) The first plane crashing against the Twin Towers was flight number 11.
3) Flight 11 was carrying 92 passengers. 9 + 2 = 11
4) Flight 77 which also hit Twin Towers, was carrying 65 passengers. 6+5 = 11
5) The tragedy was on September 11, or 9/11 as it is now known. 9 + 1+ 1 = 11
6) The date is equal to the US emergency services telephone number 911. 9 + 1 + 1 = 11.


Sheer coincidence..?! Read on and make up your own mind:

1) The total number of victims inside all the hi-jacked planes was 254. 2 + 5 + 4 = 11.
2) September 11 is day number 254 of the calendar year. Again 2 + 5 + 4 = 11.
3) The Madrid bombing took place on 3/11/2004. 3 + 1 + 1 + 2 + 4 = 11.
4) The tragedy of Madrid happened 911 days after the Twin Towers incident.

most of these whole "coincedence" issues are nothing more then weeding out, or changing things around to fit your needs.

why didn't they use George bush's full middle name? why did they not have a middle name for Ramsin Yuseb? i notic elinks in numbers all the time, if your really this interested in "coincedences" i highly suggest you watch the movie "23" when it comes out.

[Alpha_Pasta]

most of these whole "coincedence" issues are nothing more then weeding out, or changing things around to fit your needs.

why didn't they use George bush's full middle name? why did they not have a middle name for Ramsin Yuseb? i notic elinks in numbers all the time, if your really this interested in "coincedences" i highly suggest you watch the movie "23" when it comes out.

Thats exactly it. All it is, is changing the events to fit your own stories. Nothing more.

[Dascoo]

Hahahah its like that number 23 movie.

[Alpha_Pasta]

Hahahah its like that number 23 movie.

Whats that about?

[Oshiri]

The US wouldn't dare make a move like 9/11, democrats are too scared of saving :their own skins. Yeah, the US made a LOT of money from invading Iraq.. but the politicians who'd be behind it would be too afraid of possible repercussions.

Wouldn't put it past the oil tycoons though..

[Alpha_Pasta]

I wouldn't describe what you listed in your first post as a conspiracy - just somebody with too much time on their hands wanting attention.

[relax 1.0]

Loose Change is being released in movie format later this year.

[Savage]

[QUOTE=Pulse;141170]Do this:

Open Wordpad.exe

Switch the font to: Wingdings

Now type in Q33 and NY (ALL UPPER CASE)

The Q33 reperesents a plane hitting two towers.
The NY repersents death to ----


http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/9c/Q33_NY_-_almost_MS.svg/400px-Q33_NY_-_almost_MS.svg.png

That writing was invented before the 9/11 and i doubt the terriost went through the fonts lookin for something lik that.

[Oshiri]

coincidence with the wingdings thing. Microsoft changed it if i remember rightly. Though NYC on mine still comes up with skull&crossbones, star of david, thumbs up. Haven't tried Q33.

Who the hell would try typing this stuff in wingdings anyway?!?

[bartuc08]

technically, the so called "towers" are also the picture used to express a full page, or a page that is centered... lol

[Savage]

and wats jews got to do with anything anyway?

[Oshiri]

www.LOOSECHANGE911.com

The movie's on Google Video. Give it a look-see and I guarantee that your 9/11 views will be altered. It also has an amazing soundtrack.

[Nitro]

www.LOOSECHANGE911.com

The movie's on Google Video. Give it a look-see and I guarantee that your 9/11 views will be altered. It also has an amazing soundtrack.

I agree...I would also recommend 9/11 Mysteries for those still believing in the official myth:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6708190071483512003

[Tizmo]

Nitro, I merged your 3 posts together.

[17]

omfg that freaked me out.

OMG OMG IM SO SCARED!!!

Big deal? It was planned out, ok so what?

[Alpha_Pasta]

I can't believe these conspiracies. I've been there and was wondering all the time how people can believe such things...IMO, I think that the event was so big that some people need to believe in these conspiracies...

Check this out: http://youtube.com/watch?v=VDOuvCDuB2w

[Oshiri]

Seen it.

Well there are closed minded and open minded people of all types... Ok, so he makes some points about the whole Thermite theory... but... this is a tiny proportion of the available evidence... there's no way that the steel could have melted from the fire of the jetfuel/office furniture. The temperatures were too low, and let's not mention that the safety standards which the WTC towers were built to were of a very high degree.

Then there are the squibs (Puffs of smoke that shoot from buildings as they collapse), the manner in which the towers fell... So much evidence.

Alpha, I suggest you take a look at some of the evidence. :) Loose Change has some of it in a neat little one and a half hour package... Seriously, check it out.

[Alpha_Pasta]

You are right about the steel...but now check out the facts:

FACT: Jet fuel burns at 800° to 1500°F, not hot enough to melt steel (2750°F). However, experts agree that for the towers to collapse, their steel frames didn't need to melt, they just had to lose some of their structural strength--and that required exposure to much less heat. "I have never seen melted steel in a building fire," says retired New York deputy fire chief Vincent Dunn, author of The Collapse Of Burning Buildings: A Guide To Fireground Safety. "But I've seen a lot of twisted, warped, bent and sagging steel. What happens is that the steel tries to expand at both ends, but when it can no longer expand, it sags and the surrounding concrete cracks."

"Steel loses about 50 percent of its strength at 1100°F," notes senior engineer Farid Alfawak-hiri of the American Institute of Steel Construction. "And at 1800° it is probably at less than 10 percent." NIST also believes that a great deal of the spray-on fireproofing insulation was likely knocked off the steel beams that were in the path of the crashing jets, leaving the metal more vulnerable to the heat.

But jet fuel wasn't the only thing burning, notes Forman Williams, a professor of engineering at the University of California, San Diego, and one of seven structural engineers and fire experts that PM consulted. He says that while the jet fuel was the catalyst for the WTC fires, the resulting inferno was intensified by the combustible material inside the buildings, including rugs, curtains, furniture and paper. NIST reports that pockets of fire hit 1832°F.

"The jet fuel was the ignition source," Williams tells PM. "It burned for maybe 10 minutes, and [the towers] were still standing in 10 minutes. It was the rest of the stuff burning afterward that was responsible for the heat transfer that eventually brought them down."

Source:

http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military_law/1227842.html?page=4

Check out the rest of that site, i'm sure it'll prove you wrong.


I would rather not watch the video - I find it disrespecful to conspire about something such as that; but i'll be happy to argue my case if you present me with your viewpoint.

[bartuc08]

lmao, i jsut remembered that fat lesbian bitch rosy o' donnel (is that her name?) and how she was like "OMG its all a conspiracy, here u can see.. the building is collapsing, IT MUST HAVE BEEN DETONATED BY THE U.S.!!!!!"

[relax 1.0]

I am not going to get involved in a huge argument, but I think we can all agree that there are facts that PROVE the United States Government knew about the attacks before they happened. One question I have to ask is:

How did they have the names and photo's of the hijackers so soon after the attacks.


(http://veritas.20m.com/)

[Alpha_Pasta]

Yes, you're right - the attackers and various other details were known to US intelligence services before the attack. I think that they just failed to coordinate their efforts effectively - there are many intelligence services in the USA: NSA, CIA, etc etc. Some may have known details but just didn't think to share them with other agencies to help get the bigger picture.

Much like it was over here recently, with the revelation that a couple of the 7/7 bombers were known to Police/MI5 before; but the details failed to be communicated to other places.

[Oshiri]

Am I wrong in thinking that the US government, more than anybody, benefited from this? Am I also wrong in thinking that the US government had the ability to carry out the 9/11 attacks? Osama Bin Laden released a statement just days after 9/11 claiming that he was not responsible for the attacks... Surely that would be eliminating the whole point of a terrorist attack? And let's not forget that the "Confession" Video was, according to the US Government, "found in a house"...

[Alpha_Pasta]

Am I wrong in thinking that the US government, more than anybody, benefited from this? Am I also wrong in thinking that the US government had the ability to carry out the 9/11 attacks? Osama Bin Laden released a statement just days after 9/11 claiming that he was not responsible for the attacks... Surely that would be eliminating the whole point of a terrorist attack? And let's not forget that the "Confession" Video was, according to the US Government, "found in a house"...

The US Government didn't benefit from this, look at the actions they took afterwards and consequently how much they are frankly hated by many Americans, not to mention so many other countries. Plus they're even higher than before on the terrorist hitlist. If you're arguing about Iraq and Afghanistan then you forget - the US has the power to invade who they want whether or not there is justification. The UN tried to stop them and they ignored the UN.

Bin Laden may have claimed he wasn't responsible, but probably just part of his mind games. Anyway, he claimed later he did do it: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2001/11/11/wbin11.xml

America is the most patriotic nation on earth...do you really think they would have it in them to do that? Anyhow, surely a patriot who has seen the evidence would have blown the whistle?

[Savage]

So what does this prove? You say that the American government did this to gain more control of America? Ha Well it would suck to be in America. It must suck to know that your own government decided to kill thousands of your own family/friends etc. Nice going.

[Alpha_Pasta]

Everyone loves a good conspiracy, but do you really believe that the US Government would do that to their own countrymen?

[Oshiri]

Actually yes. People are horrible creatures.

[Alpha_Pasta]

Where is your hard evidence suggesting that. Government dossiers, leaked papers, intelligence reports?

[Alpha_Pasta]

Actually yes. People are horrible creatures.

The US Government didn't benefit from this, look at the actions they took afterwards and consequently how much they are frankly hated by many Americans, not to mention so many other countries. Plus they're even higher than before on the terrorist hitlist. If you're arguing about Iraq and Afghanistan then you forget - the US has the power to invade who they want whether or not there is justification. The UN tried to stop them and they ignored the UN.

Bin Laden may have claimed he wasn't responsible, but probably just part of his mind games. Anyway, he claimed later he did do it: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2001/11/11/wbin11.xml

America is the most patriotic nation on earth...do you really think they would have it in them to do that? Anyhow, surely a patriot who has seen the evidence would have blown the whistle?


Where is your evidence for this Government action: dossiers, leaked papers, intelligence reports?

Might also want to check this out: http://www.debunking911.com/index.html

[Oshiri]

My evidence about people being horrible things?

Pol Pot, Hitler, Stalin, to name but a few of the more recent ones.

[Alpha_Pasta]

My evidence about people being horrible things?

Pol Pot, Hitler, Stalin, to name but a few of the more recent ones.

I'm afraid that doesn't really answer my question. Of course you're right there, but where is the evidence for the US Government doing the horrible things it supposedly did?

[Nitro]

I'm afraid that doesn't really answer my question. Of course you're right there, but where is the evidence for the US Government doing the horrible things it supposedly did?

There´s plenty of evidence - did you even watch any of the movies?:

9/11 Mysteries:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8129564295534231536&q=911+mysteries

Loose Change 2nd Edition Recut:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7866929448192753501&q=911

BBC Reported WTC 7 Had Collapsed 20 Minutes Before It Fell...
An astounding video uncovered from the archives shows the BBC reporting on the collapse of WTC Building 7 over twenty minutes before it fell at 5:20pm on the afternoon of 9/11. The footage shows BBC reporter Jane Standley talking about the collapse of the Salomon Brothers Building (WTC 7) while it remains standing in the live shot behind her head.

Minutes before the actual collapse of the building is due, the feed to the reporter mysteriously dies:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5661808404862296083

9/11 was an inside job!

[Alpha_Pasta]

There´s plenty of evidence - did you even watch any of the movies?:

9/11 Mysteries:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8129564295534231536&q=911+mysteries

Loose Change 2nd Edition Recut:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7866929448192753501&q=911

BBC Reported WTC 7 Had Collapsed 20 Minutes Before It Fell...
An astounding video uncovered from the archives shows the BBC reporting on the collapse of WTC Building 7 over twenty minutes before it fell at 5:20pm on the afternoon of 9/11. The footage shows BBC reporter Jane Standley talking about the collapse of the Salomon Brothers Building (WTC 7) while it remains standing in the live shot behind her head.

Minutes before the actual collapse of the building is due, the feed to the reporter mysteriously dies:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5661808404862296083

9/11 was an inside job!

I refuse to watch the videos (not being lazy, or refusing to see your side of the argument), because I think its insulting towards the people lost and injured that day. Tell me the evidence and i'll be happy to debate with you. Check this website: www.debunking911.com.

And here, I believe, is the answer to you thinking the BBC is implicated in the conspiracy you talk about:

3. Our reporter Jane Standley was in New York on the day of the attacks, and like everyone who was there, has the events seared on her mind. I've spoken to her today and unsurprisingly, she doesn't remember minute-by-minute what she said or did - like everybody else that day she was trying to make sense of what she was seeing; what she was being told; and what was being told to her by colleagues in London who were monitoring feeds and wires services.

2. In the chaos and confusion of the day, I'm quite sure we said things which turned out to be untrue or inaccurate - but at the time were based on the best information we had. We did what we always did - sourced our reports, used qualifying words like "apparently" or "it's reported" or "we're hearing" and constantly tried to check and double check the information we were receiving.

4. We no longer have the original tapes of our 9/11 coverage (for reasons of ****-up, not conspiracy). So if someone has got a recording of our output, I'd love to get hold of it. We do have the tapes for our sister channel News 24, but they don't help clear up the issue one way or another.

5. If we reported the building had collapsed before it had done so, it would have been an error - no more than that. As one of the comments on You Tube says today "so the guy in the studio didn't quite know what was going on? Woah, that totally proves conspiracy... " (SOURCE: http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/theeditors/2007/02/part_of_the_conspiracy.html)

Now, why would the BBC be involved in a conspiracy anyway? The BBC is regulated by something known as the BBC Trust, a body independent of the board of directors and BBC managers and other exnternal bodies. It was formed by Royal Charter (A Royal Charter is a charter granted by the Sovereign on the advice of the privy council) and oversees the work of the BBC for the public interest.

[irishalex]

do u think those *idiots* are clever enough to figure that out? thats co inky dink!

[Dascoo]

The only thing I find mysterious are why the taping the impact of the plane infront of the pentagon hasn't been released.

[ecllipse]

The only thing I find mysterious are why the taping the impact of the plane infront of the pentagon hasn't been released.

I have read none of this thread sorry if I repeat. Have you noticed that the hole made at the Pentagon is smaller than the size of the plane and that the explosion described by the witnesses was impossible to made only by that plane. And no bodies were found and the grass was left unscathed. And that there were hardly any large parts found and they didnt match the plane that hit the Pentagon. And that there were no bodies found at the crash site in Pennsylvania. And that the pieces there were again not matching to the plane. And that as the towers were falling, explosions were going off inside the building before the floor fell, that made it possible for the building to implode.

[Dascoo]

I have read none of this thread sorry if I repeat. Have you noticed that the hole made at the Pentagon is smaller than the size of the plane and that the explosion described by the witnesses was impossible to made only by that plane. And no bodies were found and the grass was left unscathed. And that there were hardly any large parts found and they didnt match the plane that hit the Pentagon. And that there were no bodies found at the crash site in Pennsylvania. And that the pieces there were again not matching to the plane. And that as the towers were falling, explosions were going off inside the building before the floor fell, that made it possible for the building to implode.

Read the last two pages and you'll find out why the post you made is silly.

http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military_law/1227842.html?page=6

Linking that so I don't have to write two paragraphs.

[BritishBulldog1]

Another link for those that still believe the left wing propaganda.

http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=911_morons

BB1

[Alpha_Pasta]

Another link for those that still believe the left wing propaganda.

http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=911_morons

BB1

Hehe.