doctor assisted suicide

[Tizmo]

like the title, what do you guys think about doctor assisted suicide? is it right for doctors to do it?

if someone is really ill and they do not want to live anymore, i understand why they want to die:icon_biggrin: if the assisted suicide is voluntary, i do not consider it illegal because the patient gave the doctor permission to kill him.

lets say if a doctor tells a patient how he will die and asks if he would like to end his life, but the patient says no. for me, it would make sense to not kill him. but sometimes what happens is that doctors kill the patients anyway, even without their permission. that is when i would consider it as murder.

bottom line from my point of view:
assisted suicide with permission: :top:
assisted suicide without permission: :nada:

[Wookiesa]

the thing with that is, you would need to determin if the patient was of sound mind, i remember when my dad was dying he couldnt remember me or my brothers name, he was so ill that i could understand the whole Euthenasia idea, but if you where to ask him (not that I or anyone else in my family did) if he wanted that, how would we know if he compreheded what we had just asked him, when he couldnt remember his sons names. I think thats one of the key issues, its the persons right to choose that, but i really doubt alot of people comprehened it if they are seriously ill.

[Tizmo]

im sorry about your dad wookiesa. you're correct about the fact that lots of people do not comprehend that they are sick. of course the patient would then say that he is not ill.

[Wookiesa]

no need to be sorry, and yeh i can understand Euthenasia but i would never do it, even though i can understand why people do it i could never as i would never want to take another life, even if it was someone i loved suffering, i feel that even though they are not suffering you and the people around you might suffer, you may feel like youve helped the person, but also may feel that you killed them.

[Alpha_Pasta]

There is no doubt that euthanasia is a complex subject, and no conclusion to the debate will ever satisfy everyone.

[MidnightRider]

I think there comes a point when you have to make that choice. I have had to make this choice twice in my life and it aint an easy one let me tell you. It was a bit eaiser with my grandmother cuz i couldnt stand to watch her suffer like she was. She was so far gone she didnt know anyone at all and was in constant pain. The doctors gave me the choice, let her stay on like that or let her go. In the end i feel it was the right choice as she is in a better place now.

The second time was my father in law, he had a massive stroke and was pretty much gone anyway, just life support keeping him on, with no chance of comeing out of it. My ex-wife and her brothers were to distraught to deal with the question so they looked to me for the answer. It was much harder that time cuz, thou i did care for the man a lot, he was not my real father like he was theirs. I had the fear of retobution if i made the wrong choice, and what really is the right choice anyway? In the end i chose to have them take the life support off and let him go. Ofcorse i couldnt tell the doctors, they had to, but i ended up makeing the decision. They all felt afterwards i made the right choice for them.

It all comes down to your beleifs really. Take it from one that knows, you never know how you will react till you are put there. In the end you hae to live with whatever choice you have made. Just as with all matters in life.

[bartuc08]

no offence.. but how can it be suicide if its not with your permission...

as for this whole debate my grandfather is ill right now, they gave him the rest of this weekend (he proved them wrong) , i find it kinda selfish to keep a man alive who is in pain and has made peace with the world, (hes i tihnk 93 btw)

personally id not like to have the plug pulled, id much rather go out with a bang, so im gonna convince one of my friends to shoot me if im ever in a condition in which ill never recover...

[Maxiez]

A bit off topic, but I seem to recall that there is a bit in the band of brothers book, on the patrol, when jackson gets a grenade fragment lodged in his brain and shouts,

"Kill me! Kill me! I want Mercier! Where's Mercier! Kill me Mercier! Kill Me! I can't stand it! Kill me!!!"

Then Mercier says he won't kill him, and they try to take him back to aid statioin, then he falls of the stretcher and rolls down a hill and gets shot by a german or something...

I'd have preferred to die with a friend, really.

That's kinda the opposite to what tizmo said.

[Savage]

if they are sure that there is no chance of survial and the patient is in extreme pain its right to let them go. What about if the patient has no family? How can they decide

[yawaddah]

Yes to euthanasia
No to murder and suicide.