View Full Version : Should gay couples be allowed to adopt children?
Dascoo
08-24-2006, 07:39 PM
What is your opinion? Personally, I think no. The child will most likely get bullied at school, so not really great for the kid.
MidnightRider
08-24-2006, 08:52 PM
What about children with a colored father and a white mother, you think they dont get bullied? Kids do that no matter who your parents are. i have mixed feelings about it. On the one hand i know some gay's that are some of the best ppl i have ever met and on the other hand i know it would be hard for all involved, not only the kids but the parents as well. The thing is, there are straight ppl that shouldnt have kids and they are allowed to have 4 and 5 and pull in wellfare. Its not fair to deney it to two good gay parents.
What about children with a colored father and a white mother, you think they dont get bullied?
Not really?
I don't know about the gay parents really. I guess it's ok. I mean if you make good parents and can raise a child well, then that's good. Probably would be hard for a child though, especially teenage years at school. Kids can be cruel and stupid.
MidnightRider
08-25-2006, 05:23 AM
Not really?
Kids can be cruel and stupid.
You just answered your own question Mig
Tizmo
08-25-2006, 05:39 AM
Now, this is a better thread.
yawaddah
08-25-2006, 05:49 AM
If I had a child and I would have to give it adopted.. I would choose good gay parents instead of broken straight family. Who determines whos good and whats broken is another question. Straight parents should be anyway in advantage when choosing parents to children.
MidnightRider
08-25-2006, 07:16 AM
exactly the point i was trying to get across yawaddah
BritishBulldog1
08-25-2006, 11:47 AM
If you are going to raise children, you need to be able to demonstrate normality. Same sex couples are normal only to themselves and not to society as a whole. What is going to go through the childs head in it's early and most formative years? How are they going to learn about the interraction between male and female heads of the family and what is normal family life?
Sorry, I don't hold with this liberal attititude that because it is normal to them, that it is normal. Humans are here to pro-create. Same sex couples cannot "naturally" pro-create, they are therefore "not normal" in the proper sense of the word.
Normal is what the majority do and same sex couples are by no means in the majority.
Don't get me wrong, what two people do behind closed doors is their business, but I don't like the "in your face" attitude of some of them. They may be proud to be Gay (I hate that misuse of the language), but I tell you what, I'm even more proud that I'm hetrosexual, but I don't have to shout it from the rooftops.
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Dascoo
08-25-2006, 12:14 PM
What about children with a colored father and a white mother, you think they dont get bullied?
Why would that matter? People are ignorant, if your parents are homosexual and people at your school know this then your going to be an outcast most likely, thinking that your a homosexual also unless you can keep it a secret.
HoboJoe
08-25-2006, 12:33 PM
Not really?
I don't know about the gay parents really. I guess it's ok. I mean if you make good parents and can raise a child well, then that's good. Probably would be hard for a child though, especially teenage years at school. Kids can be cruel and stupid.
But in their teenage years, lift some weights and don't take any crap that the bullies would give you, earn respect...
I think that they should be able to adopt, they are people too. They have rights, if they can't adopt because they can't reproduce, what about infertile men and women adopting, technically they can't reproduce either so they shouldn't be able to adopt if Gay couples can't.
Dascoo
08-25-2006, 01:12 PM
Yeah obviously that doesnt happen does it, because then you are alone. It's a lose situation, unless people aorund you aren't cruel.
BritishBulldog1
08-25-2006, 01:16 PM
They have rights, if they can't adopt because they can't reproduce, what about infertile men and women adopting, technically they can't reproduce either so they shouldn't be able to adopt if Gay couples can't.
But they will bring up the children in a family where hetrosexuality is normal.
IMHO being queer, is to many of them, a fad, a fashion if you will. Sure, there are geniune homosexuals and I respect that, but far too many seem to adopt the tag when it suits them to.
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MidnightRider
08-25-2006, 04:23 PM
I agree BB, it does seem to be a thing ppl can use, you wont give me that job cuz im gay, or you wont serve me cuz im gay, blah blah. No i wont serve you cuz your a pain in the ass, same way if you were straight and a pain in the ass. There is an ******* in every race and every sex.
Why would that matter? People are ignorant, if your parents are homosexual and people at your school know this then your going to be an outcast most likely, thinking that your a homosexual also unless you can keep it a secret.
But in their teenage years, lift some weights and don't take any crap that the bullies would give you, earn respect...
^^ This guy right here Dascoo
BB, you and are diff a bit here. Think back to the public smokeing thread. Wait ill make it easy for your old eyes }: P
From the public smokeing thread:
Just where do you draw the line? How many groups should have their civil liberties curtailed?
No one should be stopped from doing what is their preference, unless it is against the law.
What is going to go through the childs head in it's early and most formative years? How are they going to learn about the interraction between male and female heads of the family and what is normal family life?
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The same can be said for a family where the father physically abuses the mother. To this young child , it shows that this is what happens in a "normal" family.
Dascoo
08-25-2006, 06:16 PM
Yeah obviously that doesnt happen does it, because then you are alone. It's a lose situation, unless people aorund you aren't cruel.
Midnightrider read this, geez he isn't right. The person will be an outcast. Sure, he's strong, kick anyone's ass, but now he has became an ass and plus he has gay parents so why would I hang out with him (sometihng a hypocrit would think)
BritishBulldog1
08-25-2006, 06:26 PM
BB, you and are diff a bit here. Think back to the public smokeing thread. Wait ill make it easy for your old eyes }: P
From the public smokeing thread:
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Originally Posted by BritishBulldog1
Just where do you draw the line? How many groups should have their civil liberties curtailed?
Quote:
Originally Posted by BritishBulldog1
No one should be stopped from doing what is their preference, unless it is against the law.
First, we are talking about granting rights that don't yet exist, as opposed to removing them and secondly, I am not advocating making homosexuality illegal.
@ Zach I don't disagree with you Zach. However, the same could happen in a same sex marriage, so the problem is compounded. Here in the UK, unfortunately, where same sex couples have been granted fostering rights, children have been abused. Again, that can and has happened in hetrosexual situations, but, given the number of hetrosexual situations compared to the number of same sex situations, that makes a very worrying comment on the intentions of same sex couples looking after children. I know people are going to say that you cannot tar all same sex couples with the same brush, but given how few of them have children living with, to have this happen should be of great concern. Remember, these people were suppossedly screened for suitability.
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MidnightRider
08-26-2006, 10:36 AM
First, we are talking about granting rights that don't yet exist, as opposed to removing them and secondly, I am not advocating making homosexuality illegal.
on the contrary, there are states in the US that allow gays to adopt. Furthermore what about couples that have had a child together, then split up, and one becomes a lez or queer, do they lose parental rights now? Only if they are an unfit parent, and being gay, imo dont qualify for unfit.
The point is, if you can prove to be a fit parent and raise a child that can contribute to the world and socity in a positive manner, why not allow it. Everyone here knows there are to many ppl in todays world growing up with the "give me" additude. We see them everywhere. So why take from the ranks of the ppl that want to make a diff in the world by takeing out 2 parents that could do some good? Broken homes are on the rise, and more cases of abuse, sposual or otherwise are being reported, i can tell you from my own childhood that there are at least 4 times the number that dont get reported. Gay or hetro.
Dont get me wrong, im not defending homosexuality, and dont agree with it, but thats my choice, as it is theirs to be gay. What you do in your own home is your business, and what i do in mine is my business.
MidnightRider
08-26-2006, 10:42 AM
Midnightrider read this, geez he isn't right. The person will be an outcast. Sure, he's strong, kick anyone's ass, but now he has became an ass and plus he has gay parents so why would I hang out with him (sometihng a hypocrit would think)
I started out being picked on when i was very young. I learned to fight back and defend myself. I refused to be substandard to anyone and let it be known. You know what happend? I didnt become outcast. I didnt become antisocal. I earned respect from my peers as they knew they wouldnt be able to walk all over me. The thing is Dascoo, there are hypocrits in the world, and they think exactly like that. Would you let someone rag on you for whatever reason? Your dad is short, or your mom does this or that. So what, in the real world that really makes less diff then you think it would.
Dascoo
08-26-2006, 12:14 PM
Things must be way diffrent there then where you live.
When I was young, grade 5 ish, I think I help turn a kid into an outcast. I feel bad thinking about it, I have no idea who the kid is now, but anyways here in Ontario, were cruel son of a bitches. You don't earn respect easy.
MidnightRider
08-26-2006, 04:52 PM
Things must be way diffrent there then where you live.
When I was young, grade 5 ish, I think I help turn a kid into an outcast. I feel bad thinking about it, I have no idea who the kid is now, but anyways here in Ontario, were cruel son of a bitches. You don't earn respect easy.
Im sure things are diff, but trust me the streets i grew up on where some of the worst the states have to offer. I got the scars to prove it. Anyway respect is never earned easy, but it comes down to you either want it or you dont. if you dont then deal with the fact that you would get picked on for whatever reason, if you do, then you stand up for yourself, even if you get knocked down. You get back up and do it again.
BritishBulldog1
08-26-2006, 07:03 PM
on the contrary, there are states in the US that allow gays to adopt. Furthermore what about couples that have had a child together, then split up, and one becomes a lez or queer, do they lose parental rights now? Only if they are an unfit parent, and being gay, imo dont qualify for unfit.
The point is, if you can prove to be a fit parent and raise a child that can contribute to the world and socity in a positive manner, why not allow it. Everyone here knows there are to many ppl in todays world growing up with the "give me" additude. We see them everywhere. So why take from the ranks of the ppl that want to make a diff in the world by takeing out 2 parents that could do some good? Broken homes are on the rise, and more cases of abuse, sposual or otherwise are being reported, i can tell you from my own childhood that there are at least 4 times the number that dont get reported. Gay or hetro.
Dont get me wrong, im not defending homosexuality, and dont agree with it, but thats my choice, as it is theirs to be gay. What you do in your own home is your business, and what i do in mine is my business.
No, if a person has created a child through natural means, then they should not lose their rights to parenthood. I'm not advocating that at all, but by allowing the adoption of a boy, for example, to male homosexuals, you are placing temptation in their path, a temptation that here, in the UK, has proven to be too strong for some to resist. Remember, these people had been through stringent checks to ensure their suitability. IMO you are placing the child in greater danger than you would be with a hetrosexual couple, although that can also go wrong. You are also effectively telling that child that homosexuality is quite normal and I don't believe that it is.
As for parents abusing their children, I know what you are talking about. I was physically abused as a child, although not in the sexual context. In todays society, with the bruises I went to school with, my parents would have been prosecuted and us children may well have ended up in a home or fostered out. But I don't think that would have been the right answer!
If people want to live that style of life, let them accept it for what it is. They are just another minority trying to inflict thier views on the rest of society, they just ain't blowing people up to get their point across.
Broken homes on the rise - yes they are, but that is as much to blame on the society we are creating. Divorce is far to easy. It's much easier to get a divorce than it is to work at a marriage and I have been divorced. My second marriage has lasted a tad longer than the 3 years of the first - 26 years to be precise.
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catman
08-27-2006, 12:02 AM
There can be lots of prejudice in this type of situation. It is easy to say that there is something wrong with them, and in turn they cannot raise a child. On the contrary, this depends on the people themselves. Not the judgements. Nevertheless, judgements will be made. Weather the concerns are of weather they can raise the child properly or not or how the child will turn out is questonable, especially in the case that an obtained child will come from differrent birthparents, and possibly ethniticy and nationality.
Savage
08-27-2006, 06:33 AM
i have nothing against as long as they teach the child that have a "wife" is normal and not to force the child not to think that being gay is normal and make the child marry a the same sex
Oshiri
09-16-2006, 04:45 PM
i thought America stood for equal rights of all people.
Savage
09-17-2006, 03:46 AM
they just like to think that but in reality no country can offer that
Oshiri
09-17-2006, 05:07 AM
it's a shame that that is so true.
Not really?
Kids can be cruel and stupid.
You just answered your own question Mig
Why? I was saying that I don't think it's a problem these days for a kid to have one black one white parent.
MidnightRider
09-18-2006, 08:04 AM
Wow i had to go back and read the post lol.
the thing is Mig, that kids will do crule things, weither you are gay, have gay parents, or have a birthmark on your forehead. Kids dont have the advanced socical skills that adults have. (there are exceptions, before i step on anyones toes) And there are some that never gain them. Thats part of human nature. Its those skills that teach us to look past these things and try and find out what a person is really like.
Alpha_Pasta
09-18-2006, 10:53 AM
Sadly that is the case. Drawing from experiences I can say that if I knew someone with gay parents his/her life would be hell.
the_morning_of
09-22-2006, 06:56 AM
I kno a kid with to gay mums and he dosnt even notice anymore i think that it iss all good aslong as they have a straight male role model aswell xxx
BodySnatchers
02-17-2008, 05:50 AM
I don't personally think a gay couple should have children, the balance is unjust, And its not just with gay couples, it applies to a single parent wanting another child without a partner, the child lacks either a mother or a father, and regardless what people say, the childs life will be greatly affected by it.
I suppose if two homosexuals believe they can provide for the child what any straight family will provide, then its their call.
The question is which gender would be more affected by having two homosexual parents, a male or a female?
The question is which gender would be more affected by having two homosexual parents, a male or a female?
In today's society? Male.
BodySnatchers
02-23-2008, 06:18 AM
In today's society? Male.
True.
At this point in time I dont particularly see why gay men would want to have children... for the family reasons of course but hey, I wouldnt.
I've asked my gay friends and they've all told me it would quote:
"increase the hardships in the childs life by ten-fold. If it were a son, he probably wouldnt be able to cope being called things like the 'gay offspring' or the 'fag child'
Which would lead to low self esteem and ultimately psychological damage in later life"
Savage
02-23-2008, 07:32 AM
The above post is true, with 2 dads. But im sure with 2 mums it would be different. I know at my school certain people would think it would be awesome.
BodySnatchers
02-24-2008, 09:46 PM
The above post is true, with 2 dads. But im sure with 2 mums it would be different. I know at my school certain people would think it would be awesome.
LOL You'd think that huh savage ;) trust me though its better to have a mix of both, one reason for this, is if you call favorites with them it can be a hell of a lot worse than saying you like your mum over your dad.
Just a thought now.
What if two mums have a son. Would the son be really really influenced femininely and become gay? ;) this stuff is intruiging
Savage
02-25-2008, 01:25 AM
would it make much difference? People who have both a mum and a dad turn out gay.
I think being gay is partly due to how your brain develops. I don't know how to put it in a more PC way, but if your brain is wired to be quite feminine, you have a higher chance of being gay.
I'm not sure but I think I read that in a psychology book.
nickb1269
02-25-2008, 03:58 AM
Mig i remember reading somewhere in one of my college psychology book about that like a year ago. and i agree it's going to be rough on the child. i just don't see why gays or lesbians would want to put that strain on the child when they know that they are going to have problems growing up. to me it's like they are just thinking of themselves and not what's best for the child. but hey this is just my opinion i don't want to get pc attacked for this post. haha
It is legal here in Sweden, but it really just moves the denial to the country of origin for the children. Most countries wont let the children be adopted by gay couples.
Any way, I think that if they really want children that bad they can always do it the old fashioned way.
One male gay couple decides to produce a child with one female gay couple and nobody can say anything (legally) about that.
Good luck sorting out the visitation rights though....
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