Is life All just a ***** and at the end of your life you **** ** and start again

[Scanger]

Is life All just a dream and at the end of your life you wake up and start again knowing what your life is gonig to be like allowing you to change parts of your life good/bad..just this thought i had ages ago and membered it now............

[PZIV]

Weird and random, but very interesting.

[BritishBulldog1]

Everyone will have their own opinion on this and I'm no differrent. But i really don't have the time or inclinisation to delve into it at the moment. I will just say that there is more to follow IMHO

BB1

[Oshiri]

yea, as much as i would like to believe that there is life after death, i have the feeling that everything just goes dark and thats the end of it all... duno, im yet to be convinced of anything religious tbh.

[Scanger]

neither am i.I dnt belive in god.I mean i always say this Why would god let his people die?And people always say everyone has their time 2 go.well wat bout babies who dnt get born because of a Abortion for E.G.i agree probley with ^^ ur die ur gone tats it.although tat is a scary thought

[Dascoo]

Well it's a good thing you, yourself does not take that storybook as fact (yes I like insulting it).

What you should do, is to do your part in advancing humanity in some way. It can be a little thing, such as working in a restaurant, serving someone, or it can be done by becoming a scientist, and discovering something so incredible you'll be remembered.

I wouldn't mind dieing, but the thought of me dieing without being remembered as something good makes me sad. If you are remembered, then your in a way immortal.

So some day I hope to do my part in forwarding humanity :) because all we are meant to do is just keep our species from going extinct. Were not created by some divine being known as "god". We are a totally random event in the universe, something some people cannot understand. That's nature. Sure I'd like to live in fairy tale land, but then I'm lieing to my self.

Some day humanity will go extinct, because we will become obsolete. By going extinct it either means all of us dieing out or we just evolve into something else. Someday, we will be so advanced we would be seen as gods to our ancestors. It will seem like magic.

So anyways some of you might think that now i'm tihnking that our creators are aliens, but I'm not saying that. There's no scientific evidence.

[Sir Realism]

It life is a dream, one would have had to live a couple of years in the "real" world and since youd have enough sense to realize it to be a dream, it wouldnt be a dream. Infant babies dont dream as sophisticatedly.

Now a question of mine:

Do blind people dream?

[BritishBulldog1]

If there is no after life, how are clairvoyents able to communicate with those that have gone before? I could tell you stories that would make the hair on the back of your head stand up and make shivers run down your spine - trust me, there is more to come.

BB1

[Dascoo]

Please, give an example. Tell me exactly what happened.

Ever see that South Park episode with that phychic guy? Forget his name, but it's a perfect example of the complete stupidity of people. The episode was a little over exagerated, but still the message is clear.

[Tizmo]

This seems like a good debate. I am moving this to the warzone.

[Savage]

yes im sure many of us would like to hear some stories bb1. as for me. i dont know wat to think. i just dont think that we suddenly stop doing anything and nothing happens. as for the coming bac after you die if u think about it there is some possible fact to it. sometimes u get that feeling that somethings gonna happen or similar stuff like that. maybe thats cause we have already lived it and we no wats gonna happen. but we dont fully understand it

[Oshiri]

If there is no after life, how are clairvoyents able to communicate with those that have gone before?



How do we know they are indeed communicating, as they say? I am aware of some scarily accurate predictions some "clairvoyents" have made, including that concorde thing and 9/11, yet it seems like it could just be coincidences, i am sure many more "clairvoyents" have made innacurate predictions.. of course those ones wouldnt make the news, so we never hear about it (and we would start thinking the only predictions ever made were correct...)..

Thats just my opinion.. :icon_wink:

[MidnightRider]

Energy cannot be destroyed, only transformed. This is a basic law of physics. Whatever energy that promotes our our animated state is still energy and must follow that rule. Therefor, IMO, things dont just end when we die, our energy is transfered to another form. If you think its not poss to contact the dead think again for the dead are still there, only in another form. Did they go to heaven? Hell? Disney Land? Dont know, and we wont know for sure till its our time to go.

I look at it like this, death cant be all that bad, no ones come back to complain about it.

As far as heaven, IMO there is no such place, nor is there a god or devil. There is good and evil, but that is not proof of anykind of higher being. Even so one myst understand that our energy is carried on, in one form our another.

[Mig]

Please, give an example. Tell me exactly what happened.

Ever see that South Park episode with that phychic guy? Forget his name, but it's a perfect example of the complete stupidity of people. The episode was a little over exagerated, but still the message is clear.
Yeah Southpark love to take the piss out of people like that.

I don't believe in God but that doesn't mean I don't believe in something after death. You all seem to think afterlife needs to be connected to religion..?

[MidnightRider]

I don't believe in God but that doesn't mean I don't believe in something after death. You all seem to think afterlife needs to be connected to religion..?
As no one really knows what happens after death, ones feelings on it are left largly up to faith. Faith naturly leads to religion. I agree with you that there is no god, but anyone that follows a religion believes in a god of some sort, and most religions hold faith that there is an afterlife.

[Mig]

Yes, of course, but then there's no reason for you not to believe in an afterlife just because you're not religious.

Even though we think we know something about science, we don't. We can never know anything for sure. We can never know if what we know is true.

("There are known knowns and unknown knowns that we know about...")

[Oshiri]

TBH, religion was really just a crutch for civilisation IMHO. Without religion, there would be no order in early civilisation. Now that on the whole, less people are religious; religion is fairly obsolete.

Of course M-rider, there is life after death in that the constituents of your body go on to become other things, i meant that you as a conscious being cease to exist.

[MidnightRider]

TBH, religion was really just a crutch for civilisation IMHO. Without religion, there would be no order in early civilisation. Now that on the whole, less people are religious; religion is fairly obsolete.

Of course M-rider, there is life after death in that the constituents of your body go on to become other things, i meant that you as a conscious being cease to exist.
Religion will always be a crutch.

I was after the same thing Oshiri, only i was saying that our conscious being cant cease to exist. Its an energy, of whatever sort, and cannot be destroyed, only remade. Therefor i feel that in some form our conscious self is transformed into another form of energy.

Yes, of course, but then there's no reason for you not to believe in an afterlife just because you're not religious.
I agree with that.

[yawaddah]

I quess its like you born except vice and versa.

[Oshiri]

I quess its like you born except vice and versa.


Huh? :icon_neutral:

[Firesniper]

i think someone watched "Click" way to many times and took too much from it.

[Dascoo]

Guys I have a theory.

You know how were only using a small percentage of our brains? Well what if another small percentage is used for calculating and predicting just from complicated knowledge. I find it silly that people believe that the dead are talking to us. There is no scientific proof that we can communicate with the dead.

Well what I think, is that were not taking full advantage of our capabilty. We are capable of making predictions. It's not magical, it isn't a gift from god, it's just a mutation. Being more intelligent, and being more aware. Some people might hide this gift, thinking that people will think there crazy....ahem...some take advantage of it. Then the stupid ones lie to the population telling them that they speak with the dead.

Whose ever seen that man who unseemingly knows what you are thinking? People think he's a phychic, but infact he just stated that he can read what your thinking by examining you. He'll notice things that you do, when your angry, happy, mad, horny, and wanna kill something.

Look, I believe one day humans, or descendants of humans will predict so well, that it will seem like magic, when infact it's just an educated guess.

EDIT: O and my thoughts on the afterlife......No. No evidence, nothing. When you die, your brain dies. When your brain dies, your mind dies. Your body might possibly still be living but when theres no brain activity, your officially dead. Your body then dies because it has no control, causing it to then decompose, and it becomes soil. That soil becomes food for grass. Grass for the cows, yum yum. Humans barbarically slaughter the cow, while it suffers. Human is satisfied, human eat's cow. Human chokes to death from cow. Circle of life.

You know what you are, you are just a computer. Your brain is like RAM. Turn your computer off, all the information on the RAM is gone. Unless saved on the hard drive which humans do not have by the way, but might some day develope one for human memories :).

So basically, you will live in the memories of other people.

[Savage]

we only say people die because they no longer do the same things as us. they might be living in another form? and i dont belive in "theres no scienctifc evidance" that means its not real, thats bullcrap i mean if i told sciencetist in say 1901 that we could fly to the moon they would say theres no science edvidance that says we can. wat it means is that we havent worked it out yet. even in the 1970's that i told them that i could take a song from a cd, put it on a computer then put it on an ipod wat do u think they would say. or that i could take a picture of them, then put it on a computer and then using no cables make copys of it by sending it to another computer or printing it out. im mean think about it. it shouldnt be able to happen. u cant see it go to the other computer it just manages to get there. im sure if you told them that they would say that theres no scientic evdiance to say tat that could happen.

[Mig]

Religion will always be a crutch.

I was after the same thing Oshiri, only i was saying that our conscious being cant cease to exist. Its an energy, of whatever sort, and cannot be destroyed, only remade. Therefor i feel that in some form our conscious self is transformed into another form of energy.
I agree religion will always be a crutch, although it was probably more so hundreds of years ago when the understanding of the world was less.

The point I was trying to make was that our conscious self doesn't need to exist as it does now. That's the problem with us - we can only perceive things as we do now. So people think there can't be a conscious afterlife because they think you'd have to be like you are now - thinking and feeling in the same dimension. Savage has highlighted this point excellently above.

So yes, our conscious self may just exist in a form we can't comprehend.

[Mig]

Guys I have a theory.

You know how were only using a small percentage of our brains? Well what if another small percentage is used for calculating and predicting just from complicated knowledge. I find it silly that people believe that the dead are talking to us. There is no scientific proof that we can communicate with the dead.

Well what I think, is that were not taking full advantage of our capabilty. We are capable of making predictions. It's not magical, it isn't a gift from god, it's just a mutation. Being more intelligent, and being more aware. Some people might hide this gift, thinking that people will think there crazy....ahem...some take advantage of it. Then the stupid ones lie to the population telling them that they speak with the dead.

Whose ever seen that man who unseemingly knows what you are thinking? People think he's a phychic, but infact he just stated that he can read what your thinking by examining you. He'll notice things that you do, when your angry, happy, mad, horny, and wanna kill something.
That's a very interesting theory. You are probably right in that we just don't know how to use the rest of our brain. We may be able to extraordinary things with the rest of it. Perhaps we can communicate telepathically or something, we just haven't unlocked that ability yet.

There are some very advanced psychologists in the world, and yes they admit that they can seemingly tell what you're thinking or feeling just because they can interpret your body language well.

Who's seen Derren Brown? Amazing guy, I don't know if he's around in America, but he's great at psychology and uses it to perform brilliant tricks on people which would be considered magic if he didn't explain how he does it.

[MidnightRider]

I agree religion will always be a crutch, although it was probably more so hundreds of years ago when the understanding of the world was less.

The point I was trying to make was that our conscious self doesn't need to exist as it does now. That's the problem with us - we can only perceive things as we do now. So people think there can't be a conscious afterlife because they think you'd have to be like you are now - thinking and feeling in the same dimension. Savage has highlighted this point excellently above.

So yes, our conscious self may just exist in a form we can't comprehend.
Thats the only point i was trying to make, was that our conscious self can exisit in another form, apart from the way we think and feel now, but it still exists.

[Oshiri]

ahh yea i get your meaning now ^^

i agree with that point.

[Savage]

the human thing is to say will we cant do this or that so it cant happen. like people say that living things need is water. the defenation for a living thing is that it grows, reproduces, craps and has nurishment. that nurishment can be anything. water is just wat WE and everything on this planet. just cause we need it doesnt mean that other livin things need it

[MidnightRider]

Thats what i was trying to say, just because Humans see it in this way, that is not the only way it is. That is the tunnel vision that we as a race seem to get stuck in. So becasue sicence has not proved it, it doesnt exist? Crap. As you pointed out Savage, just because we dont have the means to prove it, that dont make it untrue, or even impossable.

[BritishBulldog1]

Yes, I believe in a higher order, although that may not be God in the sense of how religion portrays it, but I do believe in something greater to come.

As for predictions, look up Nostradamous, he was predicting things considered impossible, but turned out to be amazingly accurate.

Use of the brain is indeed under used and maybe thats where spiritual healers get their "gift."

Several years ago, my 2nd eldest told me she was pregnant with her 2nd child and I said, "please don't be alarmed, but I don't see you going full term with this one." That was an unusual phrase for me to use. She then asked me to predict the sex, to which I replied a little girl, she already had a son. After 3 months, she had a scan and excitedly reported to me that I was wrong and that the scan showed a boy. My reply was two fold a. most miscarriages occur in the first 3 months so I was pleased that I was wrong. b. Scans have been known to be wrong and it could still be a girl and I still thought it was.

After 6 months, she had another scan. This time she says, "Dad, you are so wrong, I've seen his wedding tackle and everything!" The Doctors had stated that beyond any doubt, she was carrying a son. I disagreed and still stated that I "saw" a baby girl.

I'm sorry to report that at 8 months the baby died in the womb and my daughter had to go through a natural birth to a still born baby GIRL!!!! How could I have been so devastatingly accurate in my prediction. I have many other instances of knowing things that have gone before and are yet to come, but I am just an ordinary person in any other way.

My wife is not keen on these matters, so I don't delve too deep, although my brother is a spiritual medium and I will use my strongest "gift" when called upon. The gift is the gift of excorcism. I have successfully banished, saved and cleared many spirits that were in need of help, or just simply needed a good "kicking."

BB1

[MidnightRider]

Ok i dont have time right now, but in light of BB's intreaging post i have something to add to it, of my own personal exp. along those lines. Must post later thou, maybe on my lunch brake.

[Mig]

Wow, didn't expect something like that to come from you BB1.

Explain some more if you can. Any other stories?

[Dascoo]

If you flip a coin, 8/10 chance I'll get it right. O boi EM A Sykik

[BritishBulldog1]

Disbelieve me if you want Dascoo, that's your perogative and you are entitled to your opinion, just leave out the sarcasm. If I had just guessed the sex of the child, I would be tempted, in your position, to think the same. BUT, my daughter did not go "full term" either AND I didn't alter my opinion on the sex of the child, in spite of the assuredness of the nurse and doctor that pointed out "wedding tackle" to my daughter.

Moreover, if it was just one incident, then your opinion may carry some weight, but I've done it far too often for it to be simple guess work or the flipping of a coin.

Incidentally, a coin only has two flat sides, so it's a 50/50 chance not 8/10.

Just remember, you're not that old yet, and have much to learn about life. Every thing you say and do, I have probably been there, seen it and done it in one way or another, as have many others here. Midnight has already alluded to something and no doubt others will too, so read with a jaundiced eye if you will, but remember, just because you don't believe, doesn't mean it doesn't or can't happen.

Sometimes the incidence of coincidence is just too coincidental to be a coincidence.

BB1

[catman]

Yes, I believe in a higher order, although that may not be God in the sense of how religion portrays it, but I do believe in something greater to come.

As for predictions, look up Nostradamous, he was predicting things considered impossible, but turned out to be amazingly accurate.

Use of the brain is indeed under used and maybe thats where spiritual healers get their "gift."

Several years ago, my 2nd eldest told me she was pregnant with her 2nd child and I said, "please don't be alarmed, but I don't see you going full term with this one." That was an unusual phrase for me to use. She then asked me to predict the sex, to which I replied a little girl, she already had a son. After 3 months, she had a scan and excitedly reported to me that I was wrong and that the scan showed a boy. My reply was two fold a. most miscarriages occur in the first 3 months so I was pleased that I was wrong. b. Scans have been known to be wrong and it could still be a girl and I still thought it was.

After 6 months, she had another scan. This time she says, "Dad, you are so wrong, I've seen his wedding tackle and everything!" The Doctors had stated that beyond any doubt, she was carrying a son. I disagreed and still stated that I "saw" a baby girl.

I'm sorry to report that at 8 months the baby died in the womb and my daughter had to go through a natural birth to a still born baby GIRL!!!! How could I have been so devastatingly accurate in my prediction. I have many other instances of knowing things that have gone before and are yet to come, but I am just an ordinary person in any other way.

My wife is not keen on these matters, so I don't delve too deep, although my brother is a spiritual medium and I will use my strongest "gift" when called upon. The gift is the gift of excorcism. I have successfully banished, saved and cleared many spirits that were in need of help, or just simply needed a good "kicking."

BB1

*picks up jaw from floor
*breathes

[ColonelChaos007]

Life wll never be perfect and it will never be...Amen to that.

[MidnightRider]

Midnight has already alluded to something and no doubt others will too
That i did BB andi had a bitch of a day at work and didnt get the chance to add my story till now. Better that i do so at home after everyone is in bed anyway.

As you said BBanyone of you are free to see into this what you will, but i was there, i saw it and this will huant me the rest of my life. The only person i have told this full story to is my wife as she has been woken up when i get have a dream about it. You can discredit if you want, i dont really give a ****. I was there.

Years ago when was just 20 yrs old i used to work the night shift. Thats 11 pm to 7 am. I lived 30 miles from my work and drove a ****ty strech of road. During the day it was pretty busy, but that late at night hardly anyone was on it. This was Sunday night and on the way there i saw a young girl walking the side of the road. As i came closer she stopped and turned toward my oncomeing truck, and i stopped to see if she was ok. She couldnt have been more than 12 yrs old. I rolled down the window and asked what she was doing out on this road late at night and where he parents were. She pointed further down the road but didnt say anything. I looked in the direction she pointed and when i looked back she was gone.

I got out of the truck and looked for her, calling out, thinking maybe i had scared her. After some time of searching i gave up and decided to call the police from the gas station 10 miles off. only a few miles down the road i came up on an crash. There were 2 cars, in one was a teenager, and he was dead. In the other were a man and woman in the front seat, also dead. In the back seat was that little girl.

She was just sitting there, but at first i thought she was alive. My heart was raceing and all i could think about was helping her. It never occured to me how she would have gone a few miles from where i stopped to there in the time i drove there.

I couldnt get the door open and had to bust out the glass. I reached in to get her out and see if she was ok, and when i did her eyes fell out in my hands. I got sick. I puked right there beside the car. Knowing i couldnt do anything i went to the closest house and woke them up. Telling them what happend i had them call for help and went back to wait. That was the hardest thing i ever did in my life. Going back there. I was so scared i would see that lil girl standing beside the road again.

For many nights after that, and even every so often now, i had bad dreams. Not because of what those dead ppl in those cars, but of that lil girl walking beside the road. I can close my eyes and see her hair lit up by my head lights, see the look on her face when she pointed down the road. Ill never forgett that. So those ofyou that dont beleive in ghosts and preconiton and so on, do so. Before that night, i didnt, but now its diff.

Now im going to go bum a smoke from the guy next door and try and get some rest. All i can say is always keep your mind open, there are things out there that none of us will ever understand. Its not for us to understand, only live with.

[Dascoo]

Life wll never be perfect and it will never be...Amen to that.

Is anybody else annoyed by the fact that he keeps on saying that?



Incidentally, a coin only has two flat sides, so it's a 50/50 chance not 8/10.

BB1

No, I was being serious, 8 out of 10 times I guess the right side.

I'm not totally dnying there aren't phychic, just not in the way you see it.....I think. I get ALOT of deja vu from just random crap. What was going to happen during school in a day, my biggest pwning in star wars battlefront 2, someones ass getting kicked, me sitting in the kitchen with my family EXACTLY how I saw it in my dream, I'll actually just get shocked a couple of seconds before seeing it happen. I started recording my dreams on paper, and the first one to come true was the star wars battlefront 2 one. Owned a bitch with a LAAT. Then me getting stabbed with a pencil....

Does this mean I can see into the furture? No. I just think it's educated guesses.
My mind is just imagining stuff, and it happens. Just guesses, cus alot of it doesnt happen.

Ok first off, there are alot of things that maybe you don't know. Not stuff about phenomena, but just stuff you don't remember.

[ColonelChaos007]

Dascoo if you're looking to fight with me, go ahead, I'm just stating facts you illiterate.

Don't add to the effect. But you know it for yourself that's true....THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS PERFECT AND THERE WILL NEVER BE PERFECTION....someone needs to get a life...

[Savage]

i also have had dreams like dascoo. i dont belive they are guesses. i have a lil story not like midnight riders but. i was ova at a friends house for the nite. we went to sleep and about 11pm that nite he woke me saying matt look out the window. when i did i couldnt see anything but then i next to one of their cars i saw 2 white hands the same colour as dead flesh. i could not see the rest of the body only the head and arms as the rest where behind the car. me and my friend watched the thing move along the car. i am sure that it was animal because i saw fingers and they also seemed to have a glow. it seemed unsure as it went along the car it stopped from time to time. we went and got my friends dad but by the time we got bac to the window the thing was gone. to this day i am sure that it was no animal and it may of been a human bein but the skin was way to white to be a normal humans hands

[Mig]

Years ago when was just 20 yrs old i used to work the night shift. Thats 11 pm to 7 am. I lived 30 miles from my home and drove a ****ty strech of road. During the day it was pretty busy, but that late at night hardly anyone was on it. This was Sunday night and on the way there i saw a young girl walking the side of the road. As i came closer she stopped and turned toward my oncomeing truck, and i stopped to see if she was ok. She couldnt have been more than 12 yrs old. I rolled down the window and asked what she was doing out on this road late at night and where he parents were. She pointed further down the road but didnt say anything. I looked in the direction she pointed and when i looked back she was gone.

I got out of the truck and looked for her, calling out, thinking maybe i had scared her. After some time of searching i gave up and decided to call the police from the gas station 10 miles off. only a few miles down the road i came up on an crash. There were 2 cars, in one was a teenager, and he was dead. In the other were a man and woman in the front seat, also dead. In the back seat was that little girl.

She was just sitting there, but at first i thought she was alive. My heart was raceing and all i could think about was helping her. It never occured to me how she would have gone a few miles from where i stopped to there in the time i drove there.

I couldnt get the door open and had to bust out the glass. I reached in to get her out and see if she was ok, and when i did her eyes feel out in my hands. I got sick. I puked right there beside the car. Knowing i couldnt do anything i went to the closest house and woke them up. Telling them what happend i had them call for help and went back to wait. That was the hardest thing i ever did in my life. Going back there. I was so scared i would see that lil girl standing beside the road again.

For many nights after that, and even every so often now, i had bad dreams. Not because of what those four dead ppl in those cars, but of that lil girl walking beside the road. I can close my eyes and see her hair lit up by my head lights, see the look on her face when she pointed down the road. Ill never forgett that. So those ofyou that dont beleive in ghosts and preconiton and so on, do so. Before that night, i didnt, but now its diff.

Now im going to go bum a smoke from the guy next door and try and get some rest. All i can say is always keep your mind open, there are things out there that none of us will ever understand. Its not for us to understand, only live with.
Bloody hell, that is f**ked up MR. Did all that really happen? I mean all this seeing the girl and stuff is freaky, but just the fact you came across the crash is pretty scary. Let me get this straight - her eyes fell out?

So were you the first person on the scene of the crash? Did anyone survive? What happened after you went back?

[MidnightRider]

Yes Mig it really happend, just the way i told it.. Yes her eyes really came out of their sockets into my hands. I went up to a house and had them call for help, went back to the crash and waited for the paramedics and cops to show. No one survived the crash all four were dead, and yes i was first on the scene. When the cops showed up i told them everything but the part about the lil girl walking along the road, i figured they wouldnt beleive me on that.

I also came across another crash. I70 thru Kansas is the most boring strech of highway in the USA. There is nothing out there. Anway my mother and i were driveing from Witicha to Topeka and it was raining. She slowed down to look at this huge rainbow that showed up across the sky. When we topped the hill, there was a wreck and i think the cars just hit. Any way a woman was going west bound and hydroplaned, jumped the median and hit another eastbound car head on. The woman and the car was thrown down the embankment and died. The other driver had his right eye put out by the window trim, and his left ankle broken. We stopped to help untill paramedics arived then left.

We later learned that the very woman that was thrown down the embankment had been in a wreck on I-70. She was eastbound and got hit by a car going west bound that jumped the median and hit her. The other driver was killed, and she had her left eye put out, and broke her right ankle.

[BritishBulldog1]

First, there are different kinds of dreams. Those that you have just prior to waking up at the normal time, are just that dreams! There are, however, dreams that you have that are so lifelike, you actually believe you are there and perhaps you are! These are the ones that tend to be precognitive and may well wake you up with a bit of a start. They also tend to occur within the first 4 hours of sleep.

I used to have dreams like that as a teenager. Twice in certain situations, I was able to tell my father precisely, word for word, what a certain person was going to say. Yes, that is what they call pregognition, but that alone does not make a person psychic. Just wait until you experiance Astral projection, as I am sure it will come to you, if it hasn't already. Astral Projection happens just as you fall asleep and you find you can visit just about any place on earth, just by making a suggestion in your mind. There are cases of people that have been able to describe far off places that they have never visited or even knew the existance of.

@ Midnight - that is some story. I wonder if you were travelling at some speed and the accident was at a place (like a bend) that you may have ploughed into had you continued at that speed. If the answer is yes, then it would seem that the girl was warning you to slow down, or perhaps, at the time she stopped you, there may have been occupants still alive in that car and she was effectively summoning help, I suspect the former.

You know, inspite of all my dealings with "the other side" I have never knowingly seen a ghost.

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[MidnightRider]

@ Midnight - that is some story. I wonder if you were travelling at some speed and the accident was at a place (like a bend) that you may have ploughed into had you continued at that speed. If the answer is yes, then it would seem that the girl was warning you to slow down, or perhaps, at the time she stopped you, there may have been occupants still alive in that car and she was effectively summoning help, I suspect the former.

You know, inspite of all my dealings with "the other side" I have never knowingly seen a ghost.

BB1
Yes BB i was travelling at a high speed, i almost always do as i used to drag race, and i grew a lead foot with a ball barring in the heal. And the accident was in the valley between two hills. So i agree with your take of the story. The fact is thou i most likey will never know. I also feel the same thing about that rainbow mom and i saw, causeing her to slow down as she drives with a heavy foot as well, that is speculation on my part.

All of the things you mentioned in the above post i have experinced. I have also met, seen and still see demons and "ghosts", I have conversed with the "ghost" of my grandmother on a few occasions. Im sure i mentioned that i was a bad boy when i was younger, and the things i did left me with a diff perception on the world than most others have. I tend to think of it like this, and this is often how i explain it to my wife as she never lived in the world that i came from. The things i did changed me, and not always for the better, but either way they opened my eyes to things i would never have known existed prior to. Once you open your eyes to those things, you can never close them again. An analogy would be you cant con a con. If you have scamed others then you will know more often than not if you are being scamed.

My wife often tells me even thou im only 29 i have done and seen things that most 80 yr olds will never see. Age doesnt always bring exp, and exp dont always bring wisdom. Only the learned events of your life will presuade you to belive in the spritual, supernatural, or physic phenomena.

I suggest to those of you who dont belive to first read the book The Mothman Prophecies by John A. Keel. Then if you want watch the moive of the same title.

[yawaddah]

Good stories.. I got one similar weird experience too but I cba to write it cos my english aint so strong...

I really believe that there is a lot more "capacity" in brains and mind what we are aware off.. Some people are more sensitive for these "hidden" skills and some have got a little of with some special training like self-suggestion. Btw any of you intrested about lucid dreams (http://www.lucidity.com/)? I personally have been training for these about half year but havent got many experiences yet.

[MidnightRider]

yawaddah, i dream almost every night. Some nights are just avarage dreams, the mind sifting throu the BS that happend in the day. At least twice a week i have a "real" dream, one that feels like you really are there and when you wake up you fully expect to be in the setting your dream took place. These dreams are a deeper part of the human mind. Here is where i feel the mind taps into the "past life" if you will. Here is where we see things thru our real eyes, the eyes of the mind and the soul.

[BritishBulldog1]

Im sure i mentioned that i was a bad boy when i was younger, and the things i did left me with a diff perception on the world than most others have. I tend to think of it like this, and this is often how i explain it to my wife as she never lived in the world that i came from. The things i did changed me, and not always for the better, but either way they opened my eyes to things i would never have known existed prior to. Once you open your eyes to those things, you can never close them again.

It would seem that we have a fair amount in common Midnight.

Actually, I stated that I had never knowingly seen a ghost, but I have seen a demon!! Whats more, it was a mirrored demon. I saw it transposed on another persons head when we were discussing problems her family had been having and when i stood up and approached it, to confront it, she could see the same thing on me, which made her want to get up and run. Fortunately, I could see/sense the fear and was able to confirm that it was me approaching her and I was in full use of my faculties. I was then able to exorcise/banish the demon.

Just one thing that people should remember though, demons do NOT always appear the way they do in films. They are more likely to look quite normal and the horror film type of apparition, is only likely to appear in that form when it needs to scare away someone/thing that is more powerful than itself.

If you need help with the demons, let me know and I will privately inform you of how to deal with them, it sounds like you have the capability.

BB1

[Tizmo]

Holy ****, that is scary midnightrider. Wow, the eyes, ugh.

[MidnightRider]

It would seem that we have a fair amount in common Midnight.

If you need help with the demons, let me know and I will privately inform you of how to deal with them, it sounds like you have the capability.

BB1

You are right we have more in common than first thought. I have learned to deal with demons well, thou and you are right i do have the capability. I learned more from my grandmother than how to smoke.

You make a good point BB, ppl should understand that when i mention demons, i dont mean the big hairy ugly stupid things you see on TV. Very often they will appare in a human form, thou it would be clear that they were not human. There are many other forms they can take but one will know them almost instantly if you look for the right things.

Holy ****, that is scary midnightrider. Wow, the eyes, ugh.
No it wasnt a plasent thing to go through, but that is only one of many ugly things i have seen in this world.

[Dascoo]

Aren't we getting a little illogical here? I never said anything about being pshycic btw.

I can't believe anything that you guys are saying. Why? BB1 confronting a demon, midnightrider seeing a dead girl (which is creepy), seems a little farfetched. Some things you not might be telling me. Have you guys ever heard of coincidence? Yeah that things happens alot.

Believe nothing, no matter where you read it, or who said it, no matter if I have said it, unless it agrees with your own reason and your own common sense. Possibly my favourite quote, from the one and only Buddha. Funny how people worship him as a god even though he said he was not a god.

[MidnightRider]

Aren't we getting a little illogical here?
And is it not illogical to say the Earth is flat? And yet the greatest minds of the time once said it was and you could sail a ship right off the edge. Then it was illogical to say that the Earth was NOT the center of the universe . There are a huge amout of things that can not be explained by logic. Logic has little place in the relm of the supernatural and paranormal.


As i stated in my post Dascoo, weither you beleive or not is your choice. Thats your choice and your wellcome to it. As i said i really dont care. I only wanted to impart some of my exp into this discussion. I for one beleive as i was there and saw it. There are some things that just cant be explained away as coincidence.

[BritishBulldog1]

If you flip a coin, 8/10 chance I'll get it right. O boi EM A Sykik

Sorry Dascoo, you made the above sarcastic comment.

As for saying things are a little far fetched, I can understand why you say that and in your position, would possibly agree with you. These things are often swept under the carpet by those that don't understand or are afraid. Many only believe when they find themselves faced with a situation, like Midnight did.

Someone once said, "truth is often stranger than fiction." How right they were.

Someone else said, "There are more things in this heaven and earth then we mere mortals are given to understand."

As for coincidence, a phrase of mine, that I quoted earlier in the thread, "Sometimes, the incidence of coincidence is just too coincidental to be a coincidence."

A phrase my father often used, "It takes a wise man to learn by his own mistakes, but a genius to learn from some else's."

BB1

[Dascoo]

And is it not illogical to say the Earth is flat? And yet the greatest minds of the time once said it was and you could sail a ship right off the edge. Then it was illogical to say that the Earth was NOT the center of the universe . There are a huge amout of things that can not be explained by logic. Logic has little place in the relm of the supernatural and paranormal.


As i stated in my post Dascoo, weither you beleive or not is your choice. Thats your choice and your wellcome to it. As i said i really dont care. I only wanted to impart some of my exp into this discussion. I for one beleive as i was there and saw it. There are some things that just cant be explained away as coincidence.

But what your saying stuff about ghosts and demons is from when we thought the earth was flat. Also so what your saying is that I should start saying that were actually on top of a giant ice cream bowl. I saw snow once, so it must be cold meaning there's ice cream meaning we are in a giant ice cream bowl. I'm over reacting aren't I?

Everything has a explanation,

[BritishBulldog1]

Well, your explanation didn't make a whole lot of sense to me and you are misunderstanding the intent of Midnight's post. He was saying that people didn't believe the world was round, until it was proven to be so, yet may of the greatest minds of that time wouldn't believe that the world was indeed round. Similarly, many of the greatest minds on Earth thought that we were at the centre of the universe. It's not until you sometimes experiance these things for yourself, that you can bring yourself to believe them.

No one has proven conclusively and scientifically that ghosts and the supernatual exist, nor have they disproven their existance. It is therefore prudent to keep an open mind on the matter.

BB1

[MidnightRider]

But what your saying stuff about ghosts and demons is from when we thought the earth was flat. Also so what your saying is that I should start saying that were actually on top of a giant ice cream bowl. I saw snow once, so it must be cold meaning there's ice cream meaning we are in a giant ice cream bowl. I'm over reacting aren't I?

Everything has a explanation,
Ok, im sorry but that made no sence to me lol. But i will try to retort. PPl still believe in ghosts and demons, as BB and i have proven. While ppl no longer think the world is flat. It was proven to us that the world is round. It only remanis to be proven that ghosts and demons exist, at least to some.

I really dont know what to say about the ice cream bowl theroy as i just cant quite get my mind around that one.

BB you exemplified my point perfetly, and as you have said, its always good to keep your mind open about anything. Had those men who set out to prove the Earth was not the center of the universe,didnt look up to the sky with a telescope we may never have found the other planets that exsit in our solar system.

[Dascoo]

That was the exact point. It doesn't make sence.

What I'm trying to point out is that believing in ghosts, and demons, is kinda backward in my opinion. Which you probably know and I'm just being repetitive.

Maybe someone's been watching to many ghost movies? Maybe your mind made you see these things. If no one was around you at the time, then how could you yourself be convinced it was real. Some times after watching an alien movie or ghost movie, and going too sleep I convince myself that theres actually something else in the room, like I swear I saw a tentacly touch my hair, or sometihng is behind me .....I'll put my head under the blanket, try and be still as possibly. After a few minutes I'll reason with myself, and there.

Also matters how you see these demons.....do you see them as there from hell or just as creation of the human mind turned real?

[BritishBulldog1]

Also matters how you see these demons.....do you see them as there from hell or just as creation of the human mind turned real?

Neither. If they were a creation of the human mind, it would be safe to say that it was imagination. Sometimes they appear to be hell-like entities (note I didn't say creatures) and sometimes they are very human-like.

I KNOW what I KNOW, for I have experianced it.

I know what I know, because other people have been with me on many occassions when these things have happened.

I know what I know, because people that were previously sceptics changed their opinion when faced with what happened.

I know what I know, because I have been able to describe past events to a total sceptic, that not even his wife of 26 years knew about.

I know what I know, because I have been able to describe relatives of a bygone time that I couldn't possibly have known and the reciprient had to confirm the details with their parents.

Dascoo, you probably have a gift from things you have said, but your mind cannot accept it. Believe me, you will in time. Currently, you are in self denial because it goes against everything you believe in and the disbelief makes you feel safe as it is something you don't understand.

BB1

[MidnightRider]

That was the exact point. It doesn't make sence.

What I'm trying to point out is that believing in ghosts, and demons, is kinda backward in my opinion. Which you probably know and I'm just being repetitive.

Maybe someone's been watching to many ghost movies? Maybe your mind made you see these things. If no one was around you at the time, then how could you yourself be convinced it was real. Some times after watching an alien movie or ghost movie, and going too sleep I convince myself that theres actually something else in the room, like I swear I saw a tentacly touch my hair, or sometihng is behind me .....I'll put my head under the blanket, try and be still as possibly. After a few minutes I'll reason with myself, and there.

Also matters how you see these demons.....do you see them as there from hell or just as creation of the human mind turned real?
Dascoo i can see your a hard core non beleiver, and there is nothing wrong with that. I wasnt a non beleiver in the supernatural before my experince with that crash, but that was really the first time that i can say for sure i saw something unexplaneable. That is the point thou. It is unexplaneable to most ppl. For me the explanation is i saw a ghost/sprite/demon/angel (pick your word). For you the explanation is i saw a figimant of my imagantion. I can say for sure that was i saw was real, in the sence that i had full control of my mind and body. I was not under the influence of any subustances. To further my views i have since experinced more events of a simaluar nature.

You on the other hand, seem to not have had these experiences yet. Therefor i can understand your reasoning for saying that BB's and my stories are farfetched. Some day thou, weither you will like to admit it or not, you will have an experince just like ours. Deep down in your mind you will know it for what it is, even as the rational mind begins to explain it away. That is what the rational mind does, trys to find a reason for something, but there are times that the mind dont have the proper infomation to give something a rational meaning. Like it or not you will experince at least one event in your life that will be of the unexplained/supernatural/paranormal (again pick your word) and not be so quick to dismiss it as coincidence.

[Mig]

I'm not really strongly opposed to anything you guys have said. I can't say that I 100% don't believe a word of what you're talking about, but I can't fully believe it because it's just human nature to be skeptical until you experience it yourself. Perhaps I will one day, but I've never had anything creepy or supernatural happen that I know of.

I have lucid dreams sometimes, where I can control what I'm doing in it. I like those, it's kind of fun. I'm fully aware of the fact I'm dreaming, and something will happen which isn't too good, but I can then go back and replay the dream but change what happens. I control what happens. At least I think that's a lucid dream. I don't know.

[Mig]

As far as ghost stories go, my dad has a friend who moved to a new house after he got divorced. One day he was watching TV alone and suddenly heard someone hoovering upstairs. He got a bit freaked out and went and checked but there was nobody else in the house. It's worth noting that it's a detached house in a sort of countryside area, with no other houses near it.

So anyway, he regularly started hearing hoovering, and sort of learnt to live with it. Then one day he was again watching TV and he suddenly felt a cat purring in his ear. This scared the living **** out of him, as he heard it loud and clear, right in his ear.

He soon got used to both these things, along with doors shutting themselves, slamming, etc. He would regularly, almost every day hear both the cat purring and meowing, and someone hoovering.

His girlfriend moved in with him soon and she too says she hears all these things, and they both openly accept the fact they have a ghost cat and lady. They joke about it, and it's quite funny because they're so used to it now.

My dad didn't believe him for a long time, so one day he stayed the night there to see if anything happened. Sure enough, my dad heard the hoovering and doors randomly opening, etc. Scared the life out of him, but he now accepts the guy has ghosts in his house too.

This went on for a couple of years but funnily enough, they did some redecorating or something... I think they pulled up the carpet or something like that and the ghosts have gone away. They say they actually miss the ghost cat.

[Savage]

ive had dreams that feel real. im not quite a sleep. but in the dream il move my leg in a dream and my leg will move which will cause me to come to my senses, that sounded a bit corny but anyway. i belive pretty much all that bb1 and midnite say. i think there are things out there that arnt the "human" form that we reconise and i think thats why we are scared of them. i made up this say "humans fear wat they dont understand" i think this applys here. some are just scared and deal with it by not beliving that they exist as shown here. but i just wonder how they came to be like that. i guess it comes bac to how did we get here. also i would like to here more about these "demons" if you feel like u want to bb1 and also midnite rider. im still young a lot younger then a lot of u being 14 so il probly have to wait a few yrs before havin dreams like u have described. also i have herd about the dreams where you are able to go around the world or wat eva. also a friend told me that his dad stayed at a house with some friends and he saw 2 ghosts . an old woment and a man. he one day found an old photo and it was the 2 people in the photo. he found out later that they were the people living in the place before they moved in. after a while the ghost left. they didnt understand why, one day the ghost just left and didnt come bac

[BritishBulldog1]

so il probly have to wait a few yrs before havin dreams like u have described. also i have herd about the dreams where you are able to go around the world or wat eva.

Thats called Astral Projection, as I mentioned in one of my earlier posts. Just type it into a search engine.

BB1

[MidnightRider]

There are severl versions of astral travel, but they all amount to about the same.

Mig, you help me prove BB and i's point, your dad didnt beleive untill he encountered the paranormal. This is often the way it happens. PPl refuse to beleive something untill its put right under their nose. Its sad that they left the house after your family changed some things in the house. It poss that they may have been set free from their unwillingness to let go of this world and move on, but i think more likely they simply released their hold on the house and are now searching for another "haunt"

Savage, as i said before, age does not always grant experience or wisdom. Even at your young age it is still very poss to encounter an event of the supernatural. I think everyone has or will at one time in their lives, the only diff between those that beleive and those that dont is this: those that dont beleive keep the mind set that anything that cant be explained logicly is there for coincidence and of no matter. The world, hell the universe, is entierly to big to keep that kind of closed mind. its all in the perception, and to witness the paranormal and spiritual one needs to see with the right kind of eyes.

Think of it as the blue car syndrom, if you buy a blue car, then all you see on the road is blue cars. If your looking for it, then you will find it if you want to bad enough.

[Dascoo]

Well guys, I'm not a hard core unbeliever, but I try explaining it. I just think it's the human mind, completely. It's fear becoming real. Maybe it becomes so real that you can't make it go away.

I'm gonna try and keep an open mind about it, but still I've had a little ghost experiences. The complex that I live in had a whole entire family murdered in the underground part. So anyways there are a little ghost stories, but I went down there and started hearing stuff, moving around, but that's just fear.

If I never heard of the word ghost, then maybe I wouldn't have been thinking about ghosts. And thinking about ghosts made me think there was one down there with me. But in reality there wasn't, I cleared my mind and didn't hear anything anymore.

O yeah about the coin flip stuff, I use that too my advantage sometimes. Rock paper scissors seems to work also, and guessing numbers. Theres just a little voice in my head I ask what will it be, and then I'll hear sometihng say Heads, Tails, Hedails. When it says something between the two I just guess. I can also ask it yes or no questions......I never really tell anybody about this, just my brother about the coin flipping stuff because he's seen me alot of times do it and he doesnt want to do coin flipping things with me. It's kinda relieving actually.....

[MidnightRider]

This imo is a form of light precognition. There are other ppl that can do the same things and the fact that you wont tell to many about it say something in itself. Many ppl that can do such things dont tell ppl for a justified fear of at the very least made fun of.

Its these same reasons in dont tell many the things that i have seen of this nature, not for fear of being scoffed at, but just for the simple fact that i get board of the same old thing. I hear, that didnt really happen, or your makeing that up, or you were dreaming/drunk/high/on crack pick your phrase. Its not worth it to me most the time to defend myself to someone that clearly wont listen with an open mind.

[BritishBulldog1]

:iagree: I have already suggested that Dascoo has a gift, he is now confirming it :banana: This is indeed precognition. Voices in the head is how some clairvoyants communicate, others, like me, see pictures.

BB1

[MidnightRider]

I hear voices but. Oh wait thats the wrong kind of voices }: P

*watches BB do the happy dance.

[Dascoo]

I'm not communicating with ghosts, spirits, or god. I'm just communicating with my brain....see I don't like thinking about it.....

[MidnightRider]

Theres a reason you dont like thinking about it, you dont like to admit what it is. No one said you were communicating with ghosts or spirites, only that you have a bit of precognition.

[Savage]

most of these things happen when u relaxed or aleast not doing that much. for midnite rider he was driving down a deserted road. i may be wrong but he probly wasnt thinking about to much. also all these "dreams" happen when ur asleep another place when you are relaxed. as for bb1 i dont know how he was feeling

[Dascoo]

Well I guess alot of people would suggest i was communicating with spirits....

Just a question, do you believe in extra terrestrial life? I heard there would be suicides

[Mig]

Mig, you help me prove BB and i's point, your dad didnt beleive untill he encountered the paranormal. This is often the way it happens. PPl refuse to beleive something untill its put right under their nose.
Yeah that's the point I was making too. I don't really believe much in clairvoyancy (?) and stuff and accept that I probably won't until I experience something definite for myself.

[MidnightRider]

Well I guess alot of people would suggest i was communicating with spirits....

Just a question, do you believe in extra terrestrial life? I heard there would be suicides
I never suggest anything unless i say its a suggestion. and yes i beleive in extra terrestrial life. Its just stupid to think we are the only intellagent life form in a universe we dont even know the size of yet.

Yeah that's the point I was making too. I don't really believe much in clairvoyancy (?) and stuff and accept that I probably won't until I experience something definite for myself.

Like almost eveyone, you dont beleive till you have some kind of proof. Nothing wrong with that.

[Savage]

so now that most people here belive in some kind of supernatural. wat do you think of the people who read palms, tarrot cards and some of the board games that you speak to spirts with. do u belive that they can really do that

[MidnightRider]

so now that most people here belive in some kind of supernatural. wat do you think of the people who read palms, tarrot cards and some of the board games that you speak to spirts with. do u belive that they can really do that
My mother does and grandmother did read tarrot cards, i dont hold much stock in them myself, not as a prediction tool that most ppl think they are. Tarrot cards are a useful tool in getting a feel for the direction a persons life is going. I really dont know a lot about palms reading so i cant voice an opnion on that. The ojui board can be very real. I have never had any exp with it, but i know ppl i trust with my life that will never touch one cuz of some exp they have had with it.

[Savage]

with the ojui board i dont fully belive but i dont disbelive ethier so im gona stay away from them for now

[MidnightRider]

lol you brought them up }: P

[BritishBulldog1]

@ Savage, I feel with my hands :arco:

With respect to the ouija board, i will join midnights friends and advise that you stay well away from them. Yes they do work, they can also lie and twist the mind. There is a specific manner in which a ouija board should be opened and a specific manner in how it should be closed. If you buy a board with all the letters and numbers in fixed locations, a seance on these boards CANNOT be opened and closed in the proper format. and there is a severe danger of leaving a "channel" open. This then leaves a "portal" open for spirits to travel back and forth.

You MUST be able to "opent the door" and "close it" behind you, both for opening and closing the seance. There is more, but due to the dangers of the board, it is not something I will reveal. Inexperenced people have been physically hurt by flying glasses and other events through using these.

It was through the deliberate mis-use of a ouija board by someone that i know that got me involved in exorcism. I was there at the time the events took place and I was the one that cleared the residue SIX YEARS LATER.

BB1

[Dascoo]

Yay?

[MidnightRider]

No one has mocked you Dascoo, why mock someone else for relateing their thoughts and experinces?

[Dascoo]

I'm not mocking him geez....It's sorat like asking should i be afraid?

[Savage]

hmm i happy living life without special boards and ppl telling me wat im gonna eat in the next 5 minutes. i think the reason that some people use the boards such as an ojui board is that they lost a very close family memember and they want to talk to them again. because of personal reasons or they are just plain interested in the supernatural. so people say that the board works. wat makes it work. how does it say to the spirts "oi over here come in the door"

[Dascoo]

I've heard of those boards, but I don't truly believe what they do.

[MidnightRider]

The idea behind the ouija board is like automatic writing (you clear your mind of everything and think on the question you want answered and then begin to write, thou i dont find this supernatural it does produce intresting effects). The diff is that with the ouija board it is prusmed to be a portal to commun with the dead (among other things) What happens is the board is to open the pathway between here and the other world and the spirit world. Once the path is open the dead are able to talk to you through the movement of the pointer on the board to spell out words and numbers.

http://www.occultopedia.com/images_/ouija_board.jpg here us a pic if you have never seen one.

Thou i have never uesd one and never will, i know how to use one. I dont advise anyone to play with them. Anything that has the potential to let another force control me (weither you think its real or not) i would use with extream caution or not at all.

[Sir Realism]

Personally, I think the ouiji board and other parts of such occult is a bunch of rubbish. However, I do believe in an afterlife as how I am a practicing Christian.

[BritishBulldog1]

If it's rubbish Sir Realism, why does the Christian Church (certainly the Roman Catholics) forbid you to try and make contact with the dead. They then pray to the saints for help in their everyday lives and what are the saints? - dead people!! Somewhat hypocritical methinks.

@ midnight. - Never used that type of Ouija board, they are particularly dangerous as there is no way of physically opening the "door" and closing it. I used the circle and glass and believe me, the glass is NOT pushed to the relevant letter/number by human hands. Having witnessed a glass moving all by itself, it's a little disconcerting, to say the least.

BB1

[Sir Realism]

To start off, I am protestant and I disagree with MANY catholic practices, i could debate for hours on it. I also agree that praying to saints is wrong. Second off, the Bible teaches that witchcraft is sin so its natural that trying to contact the dead is banned since it falls under the occult.

[MidnightRider]

mmm...

Personally, I think the ouiji board and other parts of such occult is a bunch of rubbish. However, I do believe in an afterlife as how I am a practicing Christian.

Thats a whole nother can of worms there. Ill stay away from that for now.

BB you have no worry as i wont ever touch a ouija board, i was only trying to ilistrate.

This is what gets me, i hear so many religous beleivers say that the occult, paranormal, and supernatural are hogwash and there is no proof. Yet their entire beleif system is based on a unproven supernatural being called god? WTF, over. You can beleive in god and the devil, but not ghosts and demons? Personal i find relegion totaly hypocritical.

the Bible teaches that witchcraft is sin so its natural that trying to contact the dead is banned since it falls under the occult.

The bible also teaches that pagen pratices is a sin. But in whos eyes? Where does the truth in sin lay? What may seem wrong to me, might be perfectly ok to you. Because i worship a diff god than the biblical god i am a pagen? Crap. Its been my exp that most western religon is only in place to make you feel like **** cuz your alive.

Do you know what pagen means by defition? Pagan
The term pagan is from Latin paganus, an adjective originally meaning "rural", "rustic" or "of the country." As a noun, paganus was used to mean "country dweller, villager." In colloquial use, it would mean much the same as calling someone a 'bumpkin' or a 'hillbilly'. But i hear religious ppl say it all the time, mostly christian, as a phrase meaning evil, witchcraft, and devil worship.

LoL i love religon, its so much fun to argue about, but as i said this is another can of worms.

[Dascoo]

I think you should not believe in any of those childish things......again, it's your opinion, but unless your opinion has to do with something that's going to kill me, then yeshem....

[Sir Realism]

WTF, over. You can beleive in god and the devil, but not ghosts and demons?

On the contrary, protestants do believe in ghosts and demons (ghosts in another sense maybe). Not sure what catholic faith teaches though, its usually way off what protestants believe.

The bible also teaches that pagen pratices is a sin. But in whos eyes? Where does the truth in sin lay? What may seem wrong to me, might be perfectly ok to you. Because i worship a diff god than the biblical god i am a pagen?

Im proabably not the best person to debate religion over since im only 15 years old and isnt all together very knowledgeable, although I am striving to learn more.

I think its referring to pagan practices in the eyes of the righteous. Christians learn that the ways of the world are sinful so the commonperson semantics fit right in.

[BritishBulldog1]

On the contrary, protestants do believe in ghosts and demons (ghosts in another sense maybe). Not sure what catholic faith teaches though, its usually way off what protestants believe.


Wrong , wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong! The whole protestant faith is built upon the rocks of catholicism. The main reason for the existance of the protestant faith is two fold and both reasons appeared pretty much simultaneously. Martin Luthor, the German who disagreed with the corruptness of the Catholic Church of the time and king Henry the Eighth of England who wanted a divorce because his wife didn't bear a male heir.

Protestants are called that, because they were protesting against the corruptness of the Pope and Church of the time, but they still used the same bible and worshiped the same holy Trinity. The main differences between the two, is the recognition of divorce or not and the ordination of women clergy, or not. In essence, the rest is pretty much the same in terms of belief and practices. (Note that i said pretty much).

You say that the church says withcraft is a sin! Well, if you are talking about the stereotypical witch, then I wouldn't disagree with you, but what about white witches that only try to help people, is that wrong? How about spiritual healers that can heal people with their hands, isn't that what Christ did? What about me, I exorcise bad spirits, something the Churches also do, but I don't need no ceremonial mumbo jumbo to do it, just some salt water and words passed on to me. Nor do I charge for my services (I may request expenses if i have to travel a long distance.) I have also helped Earth bound spirits to release themselves from their ties to this world and to move forward in the spirit world, towards the light that awaits us all.

Some of the teachings of both the Catholic and protestant religions are hypocritical and designed to keep us attending their churches in order to donate towards their upkeep. In the end, it comes down to money. Christ never said you must attend church every Sunday, he merely said keep the Sabbath holy, so attending church is not a prerequiset for being a Christian. IMHO.

BB1

[Savage]

the bible does mention witchcraft. its in the book of david. one of king solomons followers wishes to speaks to him and uses a person to talk to him. no where does it say that its sin to do so. the only thing it says are sins are the ten comanments (not following them is a sin) and trying to reproduce with animals and people of the same sex as you. they are really the only sin it mentions but there are alot more. but it doesnt mention that witchcraft is a sin.

the reason it is called a sin is because it threatens the church. many things have been called a sin. even science has been called a sin in the past by the cathoic church. and come on we all know the science is not a sin. and why did they call science a sin. because it explained "logically" things that happened that the church said was an act of god. for example. the church said that the earth was the centre of the universe and when sciencist said it wasnt the church didnt like that now did they?

[MidnightRider]

I knew i opened a can of worms getting into religon.

[Alpha_Pasta]

There are so many out there...how do we know which one to believe?

[catman]

There are so many out there...how do we know which one to believe?

You believe what makes you feel better.

If your in war and you think your going to die, its better to believe in angels protecting you. And so on.

[MidnightRider]

That is the thing with so many, you get to chose. If you dont like any of them, you get to chose not to. Personaly, i beleive in myself and what i can do, anything beyond that, well thats out of my hands now isnt it?

[Sir Realism]

Wrong , wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong! The whole protestant faith is built upon the rocks of catholicism. The main reason for the existance of the protestant faith is two fold and both reasons appeared pretty much simultaneously. Martin Luthor, the German who disagreed with the corruptness of the Catholic Church of the time and king Henry the Eighth of England who wanted a divorce because his wife didn't bear a male heir.

No, I wouldnt say that protestantism is built on the rocks of catholism, more like protestantism taking those same rocks and making it smoother, and cutting out the rotten parts.

Also, have you ever read the Bible? It mentions demons, angels that have fallen, followers of Lucifer. Also, dont tell me youve never heard of the Holy GHOST.


You say that the church says withcraft is a sin! Well, if you are talking about the stereotypical witch, then I wouldn't disagree with you, but what about white witches that only try to help people, is that wrong? How about spiritual healers that can heal people with their hands, isn't that what Christ did? What about me, I exorcise bad spirits, something the Churches also do, but I don't need no ceremonial mumbo jumbo to do it, just some salt water and words passed on to me. Nor do I charge for my services (I may request expenses if i have to travel a long distance.) I have also helped Earth bound spirits to release themselves from their ties to this world and to move forward in the spirit world, towards the light that awaits us all.

I dont think christianity has a problem with helping out others, I think the problem is that witchcraft draws from and practices faith that is not related to Christianity. Also, there have been plenty of spiritual healers that come from the Christian faith and the church does not condemn them, proof that the problem is not with the work itself. As for the payment and such, as I said before, I am of the protestant faith, not the catholic so theres no use pinning catholic beliefs on me. I know of no "fees" that protestants demand.

Some of the teachings of both the Catholic and protestant religions are hypocritical and designed to keep us attending their churches in order to donate towards their upkeep. In the end, it comes down to money. Christ never said you must attend church every Sunday, he merely said keep the Sabbath holy, so attending church is not a prerequiset for being a Christian. IMHO.

Please tell me what hypocrisy Protestantism teaches.

Also, I think you really should do more research before you debate because what you are doing right now is shouting out false statements. No where does Protestantism (my denomination: Presbyterian) say that one must attend church to be a Christian. Try to keep your facts straight, just because it works for catholicism doesnt mean it works for protestantism.

[Zach]

If it's rubbish Sir Realism, why does the Christian Church (certainly the Roman Catholics) forbid you to try and make contact with the dead. They then pray to the saints for help in their everyday lives and what are the saints? - dead people!! Somewhat hypocritical methinks.

BB1

BB1 , there is a big difference between Someone who is praying to a saint and someone who is trying to make contact with the dead. The difference lies in the intention of the activity. When a person consults a medium or a psychic to contact the dead, he or she is trying to gain power over the forces of nature-or, more precisely, supernature-for their own purposes rather than for God's purposes. When people pray to the saints , they are asking for their prayer before God that His will be done, not theirs. There prayers to the saints bear great fruit because they stand in God's presence and can intercede for them. This is vastly different than trying to contact the spirits of deceased loved ones.

[BritishBulldog1]

So your church does not pass a collection plate during mass and doesn't look for donations? Is that correct?

Just checked their site and there are donation links all over it. Some for disaster relief and some for setting up in other countries, so yes, it's still about money.

Wether the rocks are "smoothed" or not is irrelevant, the Protestant faith is built upon the foundations of catholicism and therefore contains many of the hypocrosies. You claim to have read the bible, then you will have noted the many contradictions and of course I've heard of the Holy Ghost/spirit. You've also stated that you don't agree with the praying to saints, but it is something your church teaches, is it not? Isn't that hypocritical? Methinks you need to calm down and check your facts before you start going off at me.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not a disbeliever, but I am at odds with some of the teachings of christianity as a whole and that includes the Catholic church, which should be pretty obvious.

@ Zach damn good post and argument there Zach, well thought out and presented and in general, you are right, the majority of those that wish to make contact with deceased love one's, do so from a selfish point of view. But then there are those like me that do it to help people and humanity in general, yet the Christian churches generally forbid it. I have laid to rest many troubled spirits and that can only be good.

BB1

[Dascoo]

If I were choose a way to live, I would be buddhist....but where would i start?

[Savage]

So your church does not pass a collection plate during mass and doesn't look for donations? Is that correct?

Just checked their site and there are donation links all over it. Some for disaster relief and some for setting up in other countries, so yes, it's still about money.

how else are they going to survive without money? many of the local priest of churches have other jobs to that of the church. they do not see any of the money from the collection plate. that is mainly for paying taxes that the government sets and not the church. also it for helping others rather then for profit


EDIT by Tizmo: I fixed the quoting for you.

[ColonelChaos007]

Yo Savage, I hope you're not offended by the "Australian-American war" thing in my sig. I just took it from a radio show which I found were very hilarious. :icon_wink:

[Savage]

thanks for changing it. also for an earler post about which one to belive. pretty much all reglions are the same. sure they are different in many ways. each one has a god or muiltyply gods to pray and worship to, and tell u to be ur best and to help others. of course there are exceptions to this.

[Sir Realism]

So your church does not pass a collection plate during mass and doesn't look for donations? Is that correct?

Once again, you need to get your facts straight. In a Protestant church, there is no such thing as "mass" and also based on what youre saying now, I doubt you know any other differences between a protestant and catholic church/faith.

Also, like savage said, how else would the church survive? It is not based on greed but the fact of needs. You dont see people becoming ministers to earn money do you? 30 grand a year isnt that much at all.


Wether the rocks are "smoothed" or not is irrelevant, the Protestant faith is built upon the foundations of catholicism and therefore contains many of the hypocrosies. You claim to have read the bible, then you will have noted the many contradictions and of course I've heard of the Holy Ghost/spirit. You've also stated that you don't agree with the praying to saints, but it is something your church teaches, is it not? Isn't that hypocritical? Methinks you need to calm down and check your facts before you start going off at me.


Actually, what im saying is the protestant faith takes on almost a completely new direction but why do I bother, youre not gonna understand it.

Once more, try to keep your facts straight, never have I said that ive read the bible (although I have). Ive had guidance from many while I was reading the Bible and they dispelled all of the hypocrisies the commonpeople note. Why dont you give me an example and ill see if I cant say something about it.

Again, you need to do more research. I dont believe in praying to saints and also beacuse my denomination doesnt teach it either (nor does the whole of protestantism I believe). So that makes your claim of hypocrisy false and that you should be the one checking your facts (I must have said that about 10 times).

[Savage]

i would agree bb1 that u need to look up more on the different reglions. i find that christianty is sorta like microsoft its screwed up in many ways yet it is one of the most domitant

[BritishBulldog1]

Of course they all need money to survive, I never said that they don't, but the tighter they keep the rein on their worshipers, the easier it is to get them to put their hands in their pockets.

You don't have a mass? Really? you mean you don't have a service where the priest/reverend/padre/minister stands at front preaching? OK, so I used the word mass, you are just trying to be clever and read for more into my words than is the intent.. Like you say you didn't say that you had read the bible, but you implied you had when you said, "Also, have you ever read the Bible?" as though it is something you've done. You subsequently say you have read the bible.

Seems to me that like all the various Christian religions, they have to do the others down to prove theirs is the right one.

As for hypocrosies, the most obvious is, "vengence is mine sayeth the Lord" and "an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth."

You say I don't know the differences, but my wife and children are all Methodist, a Protestant faith. Seems to me your church has done a good job on the brain washing front. This is how wars start! My church is better than yours when at the end of the day, they all believe in the same thing.

This new direction your church takes, does that mean you no longer believe in the Holy Trinity? If the answer is of course you still believe, then the end destination is the same. What does it matter what direction you take when the destination is the same?

As for me not understanding, I'm afraid that you have got that the wrong way round. I was raised a Catholic yes, but my family are not and I practice spiritualism in my own way. Seems I am the one with the variety of experiance, not you. Not that that alone makes me right. Accusing someone of not understanding is a way of ducking out of the arguement.

BB1

[Savage]

christanity isnt the only one to put other religions down. muslims do it. jews do it as well

[Dascoo]

thanks for changing it. also for an earler post about which one to belive. pretty much all reglions are the same. sure they are different in many ways. each one has a god or muiltyply gods to pray and worship to, and tell u to be ur best and to help others. of course there are exceptions to this.

About the multiple god stuff.......it's all symbolic. People in greece back then did not actually think there were gods on olympus.....it's all symbolic, until one day someone took it seriously and look where we are now.

[Zach]

I myself am catholic. I was born catholic , rasied catholic and remain catholic under my own choice. I really couldn't care less of what people think about my religion , because when it comes down to it , it really doesn't matter. People really shouldn't state things about ones religion unless they themselves have been in that faith and is current with what is going on in that persons faith. I respect all other religions , and people that choose to follow them. In the end i think most christian faiths boil down to the same basic beliefs , and that arguing about it seems pointless to me.

[BritishBulldog1]

Abosolutely correct Zach.

BB1

[Dascoo]

Yes, but what if someone does not know enough? That's when you tell them. If it seems logical, then they except it.

[Savage]

yes that wat many people say. they say for example u are buddist. you have people telling you to be christian and using the "you dont know enough" thing to justife why they are doing it. jesus said tell people about god. he didnt say force them to turn christian

[BritishBulldog1]

Quite right Savage. It is one thing informing people about your religion, it's another when you try to force it down their throats (metaphorically speaking of course.)

I think this thread sort of went off topic aways back, although it is somewhat related.

BB1

[Savage]

yer although both these topics are closley related to each other. i wonder wat larry would say

[Dascoo]

I don't force it on them.

Ok, I want you to clearly explain to me why creationism seems more valid then evolution. If you believe it is anyways.

[BritishBulldog1]

It's not, even the catholic church appreciates (unofficially) that evolution does not mean that there is no God, which was one of the theories being put out. I look at it this way, God supposedly made the world in 7 days and he rested on the last day. Each day could, in theory, be represented by (say) 1 or 2 million years of evolution.

BB1

[Zach]

This is just my opinion about the creation of the world in 6 days. Some parts of the bible are written as historical narratives, while other parts are written using a poetic or symbolic style. With that in mind you have to look at the source of the creation story-the book of Genesis. Much of this book is written as a literal history , however parts of it-particularly its first eleven chapters-are written using symbolic and figurative language. Therefore, the author of Genesis was written, what is now known, as scientific knowledge was extremely limited. The author's primary purpose here is to convey religious-not scientific truths about the origins of the world, man, and man's relationship to God, in a poetic, symbolic way. Because the creation story is written poetically, the human author of Genesis probably did not use the word "day" to mean a literal, 24-hour period. The word "day" may have been used to draw distinctions between the different aspects of God's creative work.

[BritishBulldog1]

Absolutely correct Zach

BB1

[Dascoo]

Have you've guys considered the fact that it was just written by regular people, who wanted to control other people?

An omnipotent god also creates way to many paradoxes. If he is not omnipotent, and just an alien, then he's an alien. And a pretty stupid alien considering the fact that he can't design living things properly.

O wait it's his mysterious ways again isn't it? That's cute.

[Savage]

life would be boring if it were perfect wouldnt u think

[Savage]

found this on the net while i was doing something else:

I've always liked the exchange featuring the excited young Darwinian at the end of the 19th century. He said grandly to the elderly scholar, "How is it possible to believe in God?" The imperishable answer was, "I find it easier to believe in God than to believe that Hamlet was deduced from the molecular structure of a mutton chop."

That rhetorical bullet has everything -- wit and profundity. It has more than once reminded me that skepticism about life and nature is most often expressed by those who take it for granted that belief is an indulgence of the superstitious -- indeed their opiate, to quote a historical cosmologist most profoundly dead. Granted, that to look up at the stars comes close to compelling disbelief -- how can such a chance arrangement be other than an elaboration -- near infinite -- of natural impulses? Yes, on the other hand, who is to say that the arrangement of the stars is more easily traceable to nature, than to nature's molder? What is the greater miracle: the raising of the dead man in Lazarus, or the mere existence of the man who died and of the witnesses who swore to his revival?

The skeptics get away with fixing the odds against the believer, mostly by pointing to phenomena which are only explainable -- you see? -- by the belief that there was a cause for them, always deducible. But how can one deduce the cause of Hamlet? Or of St. Matthew's Passion? What is the cause of inspiration?

This I believe: that it is intellectually easier to credit a divine intelligence than to submit dumbly to felicitous congeries about nature. As a child, I was struck by the short story. It told of a man at a bar who boasted of his rootlessness, derisively dismissing the jingoistic patrons to his left and to his right. But later in the evening, one man speaks an animadversion on a little principality in the Balkans and is met with the clenched fist of the man without a country, who would not endure this insult to the place where he was born.

So I believe that it is as likely that there should be a man without a country, as a world without a creator.

BY

William F. Buckley, Jr

[Scanger]

a gud post by Dascoo.I kind have tat same fear of dying and no one really remembering me after my funeral.although this is kinda me being a bit of a thick seen as im only 15

[Mig]

This is just my opinion about the creation of the world in 6 days. Some parts of the bible are written as historical narratives, while other parts are written using a poetic or symbolic style. With that in mind you have to look at the source of the creation story-the book of Genesis. Much of this book is written as a literal history , however parts of it-particularly its first eleven chapters-are written using symbolic and figurative language. Therefore, the author of Genesis was written, what is now known, as scientific knowledge was extremely limited. The author's primary purpose here is to convey religious-not scientific truths about the origins of the world, man, and man's relationship to God, in a poetic, symbolic way. Because the creation story is written poetically, the human author of Genesis probably did not use the word "day" to mean a literal, 24-hour period. The word "day" may have been used to draw distinctions between the different aspects of God's creative work.
Maybe, but I think it's more likely that they just didn't have a clue where things came from.

[MidnightRider]

a gud post by Dascoo.I kind have tat same fear of dying and no one really remembering me after my funeral.although this is kinda me being a bit of a thick seen as im only 15
I have no fear of dieing and not being remember, either in a good or bad way. I know i have touched so many pplz lives that none of them will forget me. As long as you stay true to yourself and your beleifs (whatever they may be) someone will remember you.

What I want my grave stone to read is this:

My body lies, but still i roam.

[Dascoo]

I'm gonna take over the world so I'm pretty sure I'll be remembered.

Who created god? Please answer this without saying "Mysterious". Then how can you believe in something that has no proof of itself, plus the ability of it existing would be very unlikely. If he has no creator himself then "wtf"?

[BritishBulldog1]

Who created god? Please answer this without saying "Mysterious". Then how can you believe in something that has no proof of itself, plus the ability of it existing would be very unlikely. If he has no creator himself then "wtf"?

The perennial question. Thats where faith comes into play.

BB1

[Dascoo]

Yeah....unexplainable once more.

[17]

who gives a *****, just live life and you will see

[Dascoo]

Yes mam!

[Savage]

i think thats were god came into play. people couldnt explain how humans got their so they made up a creator. but they cant explain who the creator is or how he got there

[Alpha_Pasta]

Don't you think that believing in an almighty is just a lack of understanding? People can't explain how we came into being, and its that need to explain that leads them to believe?

[Mig]

I think that's the main argument against religion really.

[BritishBulldog1]

Well, now remember everything I've said and remember I'm not a disbeliever, but I was sent a link the other day and it's mind blowing. Before I paste the link, let me just say that there are at least 6 parts to this video and I watched them all. If you have good broadband, I suggest you all do the same before making any comment. This is a real eye opener and I'm finding it difficult to absorb, but it effectively blows ALL "normal" religion out of the water!!!!! Christianity, Islam, Hinduism, Bhuddism and others too!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r9t9s94-J3Y&search=religion%20nwo%20jesus%20astrology%20christ ian%20illuminati%20conspiracy

BB1

[Zach]

Those videos have many errors within them; you cannot possibly believe most of what the videos talk about even if you have done even minimal research about the topics discussed.

[BritishBulldog1]

Tell me Zach, what are the errors. The one thing I question above all others, is that Jesus is a historical figure and has been proven to exist.

BB1

[Dascoo]

i think thats were god came into play. people couldnt explain how humans got their so they made up a creator. but they cant explain who the creator is or how he got there

Holy crap did you just firgure that out now?

So anyways, savage you are right......it's just an explanation, a primitive one. Now we have a newer one, one that makes much more sense in my opinion.

[Mig]

Well, now remember everything I've said and remember I'm not a disbeliever, but I was sent a link the other day and it's mind blowing. Before I paste the link, let me just say that there are at least 6 parts to this video and I watched them all. If you have good broadband, I suggest you all do the same before making any comment. This is a real eye opener and I'm finding it difficult to absorb, but it effectively blows ALL "normal" religion out of the water!!!!! Christianity, Islam, Hinduism, Bhuddism and others too!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r9t9s94-J3Y&search=religion%20nwo%20jesus%20astrology%20christ ian%20illuminati%20conspiracy

BB1
This is a really minor thing, but I noticed that in the video at roughly 4.55 or so, the text says "bark" instead of "boat"... which is weird :)

Refresh my memory - BB1 are you an atheist?

[Dascoo]

Idon't find that video interesting at this point....maybe I'm just to lazy

[BritishBulldog1]

No Mig, I'm not. I do believe in a higher authority, most people refer to it as God, but I'm not so sure that the normal description of God is what I believe in

BB1

[Dascoo]

Well then describe what you think this higher authority is.

[Savage]

i think wat he means is that there are is something/ some things after we die but its not like wat the bible tells us.

this is just a theory and a pretty bad one. but wat of instead of aliens coming from "outaspace" wat if they are already here but we cant reconsise them. that makes sense for the crop circles (although most prove to be false) and also many other things that happen. it is also belive that aliens helped build the pyrmids. it would help to build if they were here on the planet.

also with spirts and wat not "there is not enough evdance to prove they exist, but theres too much edvance to not denei that there is somthing there"

[Mig]

i think wat he means is that there are is something/ some things after we die but its not like wat the bible tells us.
I think that's what confused me about BB1's post - I thought he was religious but then the post seemed to be saying the Bible was rubbish.

I agree with the theory of things existing which we just don't know how to recognise or sense yet.

[MidnightRider]

The bible is only a book. Words on paper. It has no more supernatural meaning than these threads.

[BritishBulldog1]

Explaining what I believe in, is extremely difficult, as I am not 100% sure my self. I believe that there are elements of truth in the bible, but then, after watching those video clips, I am amazed by how the "story" is repeated throughout different religions. For the same story to be repeated in so many different cultures and over such a large period of time is quite amazing.

I know that there are spirits on the "other side" for I have encountered them, so I know that there is more to come.

No one will truely know for sure just what awaits them, until they die, I just know that there is "something."

BB1

[Dascoo]

Explaining what I believe in, is extremely difficult, as I am not 100% sure my self. I believe that there are elements of truth in the bible, but then, after watching those video clips, I am amazed by how the "story" is repeated throughout different religions. For the same story to be repeated in so many different cultures and over such a large period of time is quite amazing.

BB1

Hahahahahah I found this out 3 billion years ago. My dad is like a major in religious studies so yeah, he talks about stuff all the time.....

[MidnightRider]

Lead your life the way you know is right. We will all find out whats at the end when we reach it. Till then, simply do your best at whatever it is you do, have fun and enjoy your life. Its much to short to waste too much time.

[Dascoo]

How is it short? Compared to most life we live very very long. I'll never think life is short.

[BritishBulldog1]

in the whole scheme of things, life is indeed very short when you compare it to the life of the earth or the universe.

BB1

[Dascoo]

in the whole scheme of things, life is indeed very short when you compare it to the life of the earth or the universe.

BB1

Well if our life was longer, it wouldn't be exactly happy.

[Alpha_Pasta]

Life is long enough for me.

When my time comes, my time comes. I don't wish to live crippled or immobilised.

[Savage]

im not afraid of dieing. once ur dead ur dead. the only thing im worryed about is somthing happening to me, like cripple or wat eva.

the last harry potter book (lol sounds lame) i think mite have an interesting aspect on dieing. i she puts a lot of effort into many things. if u reasearch it u will find she has gone to great lenghts for naming and other things so i expect the theory on ghost will be much the same. wether it be right or scienctic or wat eva

[MidnightRider]

How is it short? Compared to most life we live very very long. I'll never think life is short.
I spent 15 yrs of my life getting into as much trouble as i could. If i live to be 80 thats almost a quater of my life. In my eyes thats too much time wasted when i could have been doing something to better myself or my coumminity or my country or even the world. Its not that far fetched. Look at the men who have changed the world in only a matter of years. Stalin, Hitler, Nero, Einstein to name only a few. Life is short if you look back at what you have done and arent happy with what you see. Dascoo your young and havent covered that much ground yet but, god forbid, if you were part this world tomorrow would you be happy with what you have achived?

[Mig]

I totally agree with that. Life IS waaaaay too short.

I'm 21 and I have no idea where it all went. My teenage years were depressing, confusing and I completely threw them away. I had no idea about so many things... mainly I had no idea who I was or what I wanted to do. It is almost sort of stressful to me knowing I will never get those years back. I feel like there is a gap from when I was 13-19 because I had a real great childhood up until I started secondary school at 12.

[Dascoo]

The past 14 years have been long. The years do get alot shorter, but it doesn't bug me.

Just this year everything went stupid. My summer sucked. It was depressing.

[BritishBulldog1]

I totally agree with that. Life IS waaaaay too short.

I'm 21 and I have no idea where it all went.

My brain still thinks I'm 21 :pepsi: it's only my body that doesn't :reddance:

BB1

[Alpha_Pasta]

Man i'm 15 yet it still feels that way. Years go so short - even though I do more each time.

[Savage]

i think thats why the years feel a lot shorter because u try to do alot more and find its not enough.

[Mig]

I can imagine life slows down when you settle down and have kids, etc. I'm probably wrong, but you know, you're not growing up anymore, you have a steady career, etc.

When you're a kid/teen, everything is new and all this new stuff happens and everything is constantly changing so it seems like things move too fast.

[Dascoo]

Yeah and it's depressing....

[Mig]

I guess, but there's nothing you can do about it :)

[Savage]

unless u find something that makes u live longer all though humans are livin longer then they use to

[Dascoo]

Yeah, 30 used to be old.

[Savage]

yep now its like 80-90

[Alpha_Pasta]

Still is about 30 in some parts of the world.

Consider ourselved lucky.

[Dascoo]

Go developed countries!

[Savage]

lol

[Mig]

I recon I'll die in my 70's.

[Dascoo]

I want to live too at least 100. I made a bet with someone.

[Savage]

wel im gona live till i want to die

[MidnightRider]

Live each day like its your last. That way it wont really matter to much when it is your last.

[BritishBulldog1]

I want to live too at least 100. I made a bet with someone.

How will you collect if he dies first and how will he collect if you don't make it? :smokin:

BB1

[Savage]

hhah good point.

[Dascoo]

How will you collect if he dies first and how will he collect if you don't make it? :smokin:

BB1

A will

[BritishBulldog1]

Doh! stupid me :deal: now why didn't I think of that?

BB1

[MidnightRider]

lol

[Dascoo]

Wow today I lost all faith in people. Just one insult set off a chain reaction of thinking.

[BritishBulldog1]

Thats all it takes, one careless or thoughtless comment and a whole sectionof humanity can get branded.

BB1

[Savage]

dont u just love the brain sterotyping...

[Mig]

Wow today I lost all faith in people. Just one insult set off a chain reaction of thinking.
What happened? Someone tell you you're not gonna live to 100?

[Dascoo]

What happened? Someone tell you you're not gonna live to 100?

No, just how pathetic the comment was made me think of how pathetic people are. I'm not down right now so meh.

[Mig]

I got a question... what are the words that are blanked out with stars in the thread title? I can't figure it out.

I can't think of a four then two letter word that might be rude...

[Savage]

i am reading this book called Chariots of the Gods. i found it at my granparents house and it is a lil old. published in 1969. but most scientic ideas dont change that much. it says that theres at least 180 planets in our glallexy that could have life to "our" standard meaning that it needs oxygen and water and wat eva. BUT then it states that (and remember its old so the number will have changed) according to scientist there are 2 million different types of living lifeforms on the planet. it says that 1.2 million are "known" by science, tat means that some cultures no about them but science doesnt. it also says that a few thousand KNOWN!! to science DO NOT NEED Oxygen or nutrients to survive. now this are on a bactirea lvl and they are called anaerobic bacteria. if u give them oxygen or small amounts of it, it kills them. now many people will argu that its only on a bactiera lvl that this can happen? wel according to my limited knowledge of evoultion it sounds like WE came from bactirea.

Also on a different note it asks how a "primitve" people who lived thousand of years ago can build things like the pyrmids with such presion that even we "advanced" people canot. also things like battries have been found in other places,

[Dascoo]

Um there are billions of different lifeforms on earth, and yes we know very little of them. Notice it's 1969 so it's outdated. Yes there is a very possible chance there is life out there in the universe besides here, but the universe is huge.

Within this galaxy there are atleast 200 billion stars within 100,000 light years. So let's say every 500000 stars there is a system that has planet's within the green zone (it's the zone where earth is in our solar system, so is venus and mars). Out of those there is 1 out of 20 that have simple lifeforms such as bacteria. 1 out of 5 of those there is complex organisms, and out of 4 one has intelligent life. I'm not going to do the math, but you get the point right? Aren't we lucky? So according to what I just said there should be 10 intelligent other species, and maybe 1 out of 3 won't wipe itself out. But I'm just fooling around.

Savage your basically repeating what I already know. Start reading more up to date stuff.

[BritishBulldog1]

Savage your basically repeating what I already know. Start reading more up to date stuff.

Just because you know it, doesn't mean everyone does!

BB1

[Savage]

its not that old. we havent learnt that much more about the universe scince the book was written. the amount of planets that will be able to support life as well know wil not have changed drematicly and at the moment it stands at 180 planets out there can support life as we know it

[Dascoo]

In 1969 they didn't even know that there were extrasolar planets. Since the 90's they have been discovering planets, but only around 100.

What? Seriously where the hell are you getting this information? There have only been a couple of exo planets discovered, and there all gas giants or rocks. I believe only 2 are in the green zone, which is 1 AU from there sun, but they are both gas giants. But there might be a possibility that the moons are habitible. We just don't know. We can only tell that there are planets because we moniter the stars, and if they are wobbling we can tell that there is a planet orbiting.

[Savage]

anyway moving on i was thinking about one line in the bible that i would like answered it says "and god created man in his own image" why the fuk are we all different and why are some ppl black and others not. now i can under stand if we were all white if we looked different but because their are black ppl and other colours it doesnt make since. if god is white u dont have a black baby and if ur black u dont have a white baby. if jesus is portrayed as being white that would mean that god is white so how did black people come along if we are made from the same guy

[Mig]

Well God isn't necessarily human.

[Savage]

so ur saying that hes not human and hes black and white at the same time

[Dascoo]

Okay, here's the realistic answer that isn't from a tribal story book.

Wait I'm to lazy....I guess you can use google. I suggest you stop asking these questions. When my dad asked these questions all the time, he got in toruble with teachers, and his parents. His mom (my grandma) was......um angelic or something, I forget, I just woke up so yeah.

[Savage]

In 1969 they didn't even know that there were extrasolar planets. Since the 90's they have been discovering planets, but only around 100.

What? Seriously where the hell are you getting this information? There have only been a couple of exo planets discovered, and there all gas giants or rocks. I believe only 2 are in the green zone, which is 1 AU from there sun, but they are both gas giants. But there might be a possibility that the moons are habitible. We just don't know. We can only tell that there are planets because we moniter the stars, and if they are wobbling we can tell that there is a planet orbiting.


dude they have been learning about the universe since the late 1800's

[Mig]

so ur saying that hes not human and hes black and white at the same time
If he's not human, why does he have to be black or white!? Think outside the box...

[Dascoo]

dude they have been learning about the universe since the late 1800's

No really? I tihnk you mis understood the information, it is predicted that there might be around 180 planets capable of supporting life, not that there is.

[mafman124]

This thread is some of the most interesting reading I ve have ever seen. BB1 hopefully since we look similar I can aquire your supernatural qualties.

[Mig]

Seeing as BB's not here right now, you could pretend to be him if you look like him? Y'know... make some 5 page rants and talk about HoB or something :)

[MidnightRider]

Lol he needs to have the accent too.

[Dascoo]

Ever have trouble explaining things but there aren't enough words in the english language to explain?

Anywho, I have alot of ideas in my head, many many ideas....mostly stories, theories, problems, questions, but what's mostly bugging me is should I be writing stories....I have around 2 stories planned out in my head, and around 50+ ideas for stories in my head.

[Savage]

or u dont know enough words

[Dascoo]

I know alot of words.

[MidnightRider]

Then put them on paper. No time like the present.

[Mig]

I know alot of words.
But not necessarily ALL the words. Use a thesaurus.

[BritishBulldog1]

Gives mig a bashing for being so faceitious Mig ---->:box: <----- BB1

[mafman124]

Seeing as BB's not here right now, you could pretend to be him if you look like him? Y'know... make some 5 page rants and talk about HoB or something :)


You dont have to be a jack ass. And I will support HoB because its the best thing out there right now. Also when BB1 was a teenager we look look identical it was an inside joke, your obviously out because your an ass.

[Mig]

Dude, calm down. It was a joke... jeez.

Gives mig a bashing for being so faceitious Mig ---->:box: <----- BB1
It's spelt "facetious" :couch:

[MidnightRider]

Its spelt "****ty"

[BritishBulldog1]

It's spelt "facetious" :couch:

'pon my soul, so it is :icon_redface: :keule:

BB1

[Colossus]

lol I would have misspelled it too, dyslexia does that to me sometimes...

[Savage]

sorry but wat is dyslexia exaclty? your the second person ive known thats had it and the other person i didnt really know but use to come on these boards called cpt moody

[MidnightRider]

sorry but wat is dyslexia exaclty? your the second person ive known thats had it and the other person i didnt really know but use to come on these boards called cpt moody
When you read words or numbers you tend to switch some letters and numbers around, so if you were reading 12345 your mind would think 13245

[Mig]

"...a combination of abilities and difficulties that affect the learning process in one or more of reading, spelling, writing. Accompanying weaknesses may be identified in areas of speed of processing, short-term memory, sequencing and organisation, auditory and/or visual perception, spoken language and motor skills..."

[Mig]

Its spelt "****ty"
Facetious has nothing to do with faeces :)

[MidnightRider]

Facetious has nothing to do with faeces :)
I know, but it is often reffered to as being ****ty

[Oshiri]

life is the longest thing you get to experience.. live it.

[Savage]

weeeeee

[Mig]

Way to revive the thread man...

Someone give this guy a cookie.

[Dascoo]

Maybe tomorrow.

Yo where do you live?

[Mig]

Why, are you coming to brick my house?

[Dascoo]

No I wanna give savage his cookie.

[SilverChaos]

*Spoiler* everyone dies :icon_twisted:

[Savage]

lol just send the cookie by mail it will be fine

[Dascoo]

That's why I'm asking where you live.

[Savage]

hah true. omg silver choas u ruined teh end for me. damn u now i know wats going to happen at the end of my life

[ecllipse]

neither am i.I dnt belive in god.I mean i always say this Why would god let his people die?And people always say everyone has their time 2 go.well wat bout babies who dnt get born because of a Abortion for E.G.i agree probley with ^^ ur die ur gone tats it.although tat is a scary thought

Its going to take me a while to read through this whole thread so bear with me. As I have said before, I am not the smartest guy in the world and I wont know all the answers. I asked my mom this same question and she explained to me that God has a set date for us to do die, if we die before that day then it is not his fault, it is someone else's fault. He lets us live our lives the way we want but in the end, he decides where we go afterward. He may send some signs that may change our lives but wont kill a person until their time is up

[ecllipse]

Aren't we getting a little illogical here? I never said anything about being pshycic btw.

I can't believe anything that you guys are saying. Why? BB1 confronting a demon, midnightrider seeing a dead girl (which is creepy), seems a little farfetched. Some things you not might be telling me. Have you guys ever heard of coincidence? Yeah that things happens alot.

Believe nothing, no matter where you read it, or who said it, no matter if I have said it, unless it agrees with your own reason and your own common sense. Possibly my favourite quote, from the one and only Buddha. Funny how people worship him as a god even though he said he was not a god.

im sorry but you are pretty ignorant. Why cant you respect other people? People here are pouring out their stories and you think they are BS. I believe these guys mostly because I know from seeing what they say and how they say it that they are sincere as hell. They would not tell lies here that serious. I got a few stories of mine too.

The first is a story of the drive home from a meeting with a religious youth group. I still tear up from seeing it and I cried as soon as I saw this. My friend asked me why I was crying and I pointed behind a car. She told me there was only a bike there. I told her I was the devil running behind the car and he looked at me. I immediately started praying for that family and I think I should do the same tonight.

The second story hit me so hard that I hate even thinking about it. Its been almost a year since I saw this but I still tear up. Everytime I close my eyes to fall asleep one night I saw disturbing images to which I cant remember. I started praying a Hail Mary and close my eyes and saw the most beautiful image. I saw the Virgin Mary. But the next image I saw totally got me up at sent me out of my room. I saw the Virgin Mary as a demon. She was so ugly and for someone as religious as me, it kept me up for a long time. I couldnt tell anyone until a few months later when I was cooled down. I dont care if my stories dont mean anything to you guys but I was hit by them and still am.

Edit: I have only read up to the quote so Im still trying to catch up on this thread
Edit#2: I forgot another story my godfather told me and my family. When he moved into his house a few years ago my godmother said sometimes she saw a ghost man roaming the house when she was ironing and doing other stuff. My godfather said it was nothing until he saw the ghost himself. I think he was sitting in my godfather's chair. He did some research and found out the old man used own the house and after he died, his wife sold the house and obviously he didnt know. So my godfather stood in the living room and scolded the ghost and told him that he bought the house that its not the old man's house anymore. So that the ghost leave and not return. Sure enough, ever since that day the ghost never showed up again. One of the main reason they didnt want him around was so their son wouldnt get scared(he was only 2 and now he is 12 almost 13)

[MidnightRider]

I thought maybe you would like this thread. Take your time and read it, its got some good posts in it.

[ecllipse]

Mig, you help me prove BB and i's point, your dad didnt beleive untill he encountered the paranormal. This is often the way it happens. PPl refuse to beleive something untill its put right under their nose. Its sad that they left the house after your family changed some things in the house. It poss that they may have been set free from their unwillingness to let go of this world and move on, but i think more likely they simply released their hold on the house and are now searching for another "haunt"


A possible reason for a ghost to leave when things change in the house could be because they have an emotional attachment to something in the house and once its gone, they go with it

[ecllipse]

I never suggest anything unless i say its a suggestion. and yes i beleive in extra terrestrial life. Its just stupid to think we are the only intellagent life form in a universe we dont even know the size of yet.



Like almost eveyone, you dont beleive till you have some kind of proof. Nothing wrong with that.

dont mean to pick on you but you brought up a good point. I dont know if you are the one that said you dont believe in God. The statement that best puts this into a few words is "seeing is not believing" and i stick to that. I dont mean to pick on you, but I was just waiting for the perfect post to use this quote on

[ecllipse]

My mother does and grandmother did read tarrot cards, i dont hold much stock in them myself, not as a prediction tool that most ppl think they are. Tarrot cards are a useful tool in getting a feel for the direction a persons life is going. I really dont know a lot about palms reading so i cant voice an opnion on that. The ojui board can be very real. I have never had any exp with it, but i know ppl i trust with my life that will never touch one cuz of some exp they have had with it.

what is this board your talking about?

[yawaddah]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ouija .. sounds bit scary and wouldnt personally like to even touch those. Any of you heard myth about saying reverse Lord Prayers infront of mirror 6 times or even once? Nothing I want to try either.

[MidnightRider]

Read on.

[ecllipse]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ouija .. sounds bit scary and wouldnt personally like to even touch those. Any of you heard myth about saying reverse Lord Prayers infront of mirror 6 times or even once? Nothing I want to try either.

never of the of the Lord Prayers one but the Ouija board I have. Never tried it and no planning on trying.

btw, maybe I should have read the whole page before posting

[ecllipse]

No, I wouldnt say that protestantism is built on the rocks of catholism, more like protestantism taking those same rocks and making it smoother, and cutting out the rotten parts.

As for the payment and such, as I said before, I am of the protestant faith, not the catholic so theres no use pinning catholic beliefs on me. I know of no "fees" that protestants demand.



Please dont badmouth catholism, you are making it seem as if you are better and smoother. You are definetely not better and im positive you are not smoother. Every one of us is equal. I have no hard feeling for any religions including atheism. We are all of ONE race and that is the human race. I am not trying to preach to you, just making it clear that I know your religion does not allow that kind of behavior. I am positive you are taught to be humble and i understand its is hard, I have my own problems with being humble but we have to try.

I would not say protestant faith demands fees but it does ask for donations during the collection. Catholics do the same and I see no difference. On another note, I dont mean to pick on you BB1 but you said :
Just checked their site and there are donation links all over it. Some for disaster relief and some for setting up in other countries, so yes, it's still about money. I disagree with you, that money goes toward the bills to pay for electricity and other things that may need payment. The church does not use the money for person gain(unlike how it was a long long time ago). Its nothing against you, just you picked the wrong words.

EDIT: I just read people talking to you about that statement BB1 so I guess you will just see once more:reddance:

[ecllipse]

I'm gonna take over the world so I'm pretty sure I'll be remembered.

Who created god? Please answer this without saying "Mysterious". Then how can you believe in something that has no proof of itself, plus the ability of it existing would be very unlikely. If he has no creator himself then "wtf"?

very good question and that is one i have heard many times and I have never known how to answer it. I asked my mom the same question just now and she said she doesnt know and to ask a local priest(we are pretty much friends with them). I would have to guess that noone made him and he has always been around sort of how the universe is neverending. The bold part is all a matter of faith. I have never seen Holy Spirit but I have felt it. When I was at a retreat and I was praying harder than I have ever prayed, I felt this huge gust of wind but I felt hot. The windows were closed, the heaters were off, and the doors were closed. Couldnt see it but I felt it. Best explanation I can give on account that I am inexperienced.

[ecllipse]

Well, now remember everything I've said and remember I'm not a disbeliever, but I was sent a link the other day and it's mind blowing. Before I paste the link, let me just say that there are at least 6 parts to this video and I watched them all. If you have good broadband, I suggest you all do the same before making any comment. This is a real eye opener and I'm finding it difficult to absorb, but it effectively blows ALL "normal" religion out of the water!!!!! Christianity, Islam, Hinduism, Bhuddism and others too!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r9t9s94-J3Y&search=religion%20nwo%20jesus%20astrology%20christ ian%20illuminati%20conspiracy

BB1

I cant see the video for some reason, can you please post another site for it. I am interested in what is inside

[ecllipse]

anyway moving on i was thinking about one line in the bible that i would like answered it says "and god created man in his own image" why the fuk are we all different and why are some ppl black and others not. now i can under stand if we were all white if we looked different but because their are black ppl and other colours it doesnt make since. if god is white u dont have a black baby and if ur black u dont have a white baby. if jesus is portrayed as being white that would mean that god is white so how did black people come along if we are made from the same guy

why you looking at color? did that statement say anything about color? Every man (and woman) pretty much looks the same. Make every human purple and they all look the same. Sure there are facial features but they all look the same. The statement wasnt talking about color, height, or width, it was talking about the approximate shape.

[ecllipse]

i spent alot of time reading all this and found only a few useful pages, sorry MR. Some of it was just ranting but other stuff was pretty juicy. Thanks for showing me this. Now I just need to see if anyone agrees with me or wants me to jump out the window

[yawaddah]

why you looking at color? did that statement say anything about color? Every man (and woman) pretty much looks the same. Make every human purple and they all look the same. Sure there are facial features but they all look the same. The statement wasnt talking about color, height, or width, it was talking about the approximate shape.

If I made image of myself I would be pretty sure that it would actually look like me and there couldnt be any misleads who has been the model of the image .. How bout people which has been born with cerebral palsy or other disablement, people who certainly doesnt look like average joe but instead look very "original".

[ecllipse]

every human has the same basic shape and thats the shape that is meant. btw, my brother told me of a time in his confirmation class when a teacher told them to close their eyes and visualize a few things then to visualize what a statue of them would look like. He told me that everyone who did that, saw a statue that didnt look like themselves, and the teacher said, thats how God sees us. So people with certain disorders might not look different, they might the most beautiful in God's eyes

[Alpha_Pasta]

every human has the same basic shape and thats the shape that is meant. btw, my brother told me of a time in his confirmation class when a teacher told them to close their eyes and visualize a few things then to visualize what a statue of them would look like. He told me that everyone who did that, saw a statue that didnt look like themselves, and the teacher said, thats how God sees us. So people with certain disorders might not look different, they might the most beautiful in God's eyes

I would like to point out that its not just your God that might look towards somebody and see beauty - but many of us too.

I certainly do.

[ecllipse]

I would like to point out that its not just your God that might look towards somebody and see beauty - but many of us too.

I certainly do.

very good point

[Savage]

faith is the belief in something u cant prove, everything else is science

[yawaddah]

every human has the same basic shape and thats the shape that is meant. btw, my brother told me of a time in his confirmation class when a teacher told them to close their eyes and visualize a few things then to visualize what a statue of them would look like. He told me that everyone who did that, saw a statue that didnt look like themselves, and the teacher said, thats how God sees us. So people with certain disorders might not look different, they might the most beautiful in God's eyes

First you talk about image then shape.. im bit confused. I didnt say anyone looks ugly im just saying that someone might look totally different than other from image or shape.

[Alpha_Pasta]

faith is the belief in something u cant prove, everything else is science

Thats how I see things.

[ecllipse]

First you talk about image then shape.. im bit confused. I didnt say anyone looks ugly im just saying that someone might look totally different than other from image or shape.

the second thing I said in that post was just something else I put in, sorry if it confused you. Everyone has pretty much the same shape, no matter what deformity. Well the that thing I said in that post that confused you could work too. That God doesnt see us for what we look like now, but he sees us for what we are on the inside

[ecllipse]

faith is the belief in something u cant prove, everything else is science

Halfway right. I have faith that I am not the strongest man in the world; I can prove myself wrong. I have faith in you; prove it with your emphasis. Pope John Paul II Made two miracles; can anybody explain it? Is it faith if you believe in it? Can you prove it? Science cant prove everything and it sure as hell doesnt have all the right answers

[BodySnatchers]

as for dreaming and waking up.... if I remotely believed in that, id't be the most realistic dream I'll ever have.
that aside, I dont belive it. If I had to relive this life I'd stay alive as long as possible to spite myself.
We only have one life, do with it what you will, why bother changing anything not worth changing if you've obviously overcome or adapted to it by surviving?

[Peter]

I think that when you die it all just stops. It's nothing, not even nothing. Although an after-life doesn't sound half bad, if it's a good one. But still, I think it just stops.

[Mig]

It doesn't have to stop - it's possible that you just move on in a different form not comprehendible by people because we are only able to think in our 3 dimensional world (i.e. a ghost/spirit).

Continuing on as some kind of conscious being - I doubt it. In that sense, everything would just 'stop' when you die.

[Peter]

I think I'd be able to settle with any of 3 "after lifes".

1.The whole stopping idea. Imagine if you were just in space, but it's empty, yet the whole palce is transparent, not black, just stransparent but there's nothing to see on the other side of that transparent-ness. Just imagine it, I know you can't. Neither can I...
2.Heaven. The whole Hell idea is a bit daunting though.
3.Reliving life as another being. Working your way up each time. (Starts as a human, than the final stage is a squirrel with a flute.)

[BodySnatchers]

I think I'd be able to settle with any of 3 "after lifes".

1.The whole stopping idea. Imagine if you were just in space, but it's empty, yet the whole palce is transparent, not black, just stransparent but there's nothing to see on the other side of that transparent-ness. Just imagine it, I know you can't. Neither can I...
2.Heaven. The whole Hell idea is a bit daunting though.
3.Reliving life as another being. Working your way up each time. (Starts as a human, than the final stage is a squirrel with a flute.)

lol i wouldnt mind being a squirrel actually :icon_eek:
But can I ask why you would want to live after this in a place that has no time, no forwarding or movement? Your 'whole stopping' idea scares me more than taking my chances in hell. :icon_neutral: