TarTars

[Kenshin Himura]

Another question.

TarTars, they were defeated by Russians on the attack on Novgorod, or am I wrong?

[papa_kulikov]

i am quite certain you are correct comrade

[Kingox]

Who are the tartars? :D

[Kenshin Himura]

Originally posted by Kingox@Jan 23 2004, 11:06 AM
Who are the tartars? :D
The Mongols..

[Kingox]

Oh ok :unsure:

[Billy The Mountain]

Here is a time line of the Tartars quite a history I have copied this and here is a link to chceck out the rest up to current times.

http://www.cilicia.com/armo19j.html (http://www.codboards.com/redirect.php?http://www.cilicia.com/armo19j.html)


Beginning -7th Century A.D.

Slow fusion of Armenians and Caucasian Albanians leads to the creation of Armenian principality of Artsakh, which includes both today's Mountainous Karabagh and the plains of Karabagh.

8th Century

Arabs complete the conquest of Transcaucasia, including Artsakh. Beginning of conversion of a minority of the plains population to Islam.

11th Century

Seljuk Turks, having emerged from central Asia and conquered Iran, conquer Artsakh and Armenia, extend Islamization and begin Turkification.

13-15th Centuries

Invasion by Genghiz Khan's troops. Later, Turkic invasions by Tamurlane's armies increase the "Tatar" element (a variant of central Asian Turks), ancestors of Azeri or Azerbaijani Turks. Armenians increasingly restricted to safe pockets above all mountains.

Early 16th Century

Ottoman Turks conquer region. Armenians take tentative, ineffective steps towards liberation.

1639

Shah of Persia and Ottoman Empire agree to cede Karabagh to the Khanate of Ganja, a tributory of Persia.

1701

Israel Ori, born in Karabagh, labors for Western, ultimately Russian intervention to free Armenia of alien rule. He informs Peter the Great of conditions in Armenia. Gets paper promises only.

1722-8

Armenians of the whole of historic Karabagh and the neighboring district of Sunik rise against the Khans and the Ottoman Empire under the leadership of David Bey hoping for assistance from Peter the Great, Tzar of Russia. They receive no help.

1805

Prince Tsitsianov of Tzarist Russia secures Karabagh for the Russian Empire before being assassinated on his way to capture Baku. Karabagh is annexed to the Russian empire.

1813

Russia signs Treaty of Gulistan with Persia, keeps Karabagh and most territories currently part of present-day Azerbaijani S.S.R.

1905

Instigated by local overlords, racial violence breaks out between Tartars or "Azeris" and Armenians throughout Transcaucasia. Tzarist officials, hoping to curb Armenian activism, do not intervene. Armenians put up sustained resistance but are massacred in areas where Tartars form a majority.

1914-1917

Karabagh is occupied by Russian troops who remain until fall of Tzarist regime.

1917


January Tzarist census shows greater Karabagh population to be 317,000 Armenians (72%) and 120,000 Tartars.

February

Russian Revolution end of tzarist regime.
Departure of troops leave Karabagh in state of disarray.
Inter-party Bureau organized, consisting of Armenians and Tartars Regional Central Executive appointed to run administration of united Karabagh-Zangezur region. Harmony and cooperation exist.

1918


March

Trancaucasian Confederation (with Armenian, Azeri, and Georgian states) proclaims itself an independent, multi-ethnic republic.

Ottoman Turkish victories in Baku. Armenians of Shushi submit to invading Ottoman armies, however rest of Karabagh resists.

May

Transcaucasian Confederation dissolves. Complete evacuation of Russian armies leaves a void in disputed areas.

In the fact of Ottoman Turkish penetration into Transcaucasia, Bolsheviks and Dashnaktsakans join forces and set up the Baku Commune to resist invasion.

Republic of Azerbaijan declared on May 27.
Republic of Armenia declared on May 28.

Treaty of Batum signed between Ottoman Turkey and Armenia. Armenia forced to cede large territories to neighboring Turkey, Georgia, and Azerbaijan. Nakhichevan and Karabagh are given status of autonomous districts under the protectorate of Azerbaijan.

July

British forces enter Transcaucasia.
Fall of Baku Commune.

First Assembly of Karabagh Armenians formed. Elects a People's Government of Karabagh. Rejects demands that Turkish troops be permitted to enter Shushi.

September

To avoid further Turkish massacres, Second and Third Pan-Karabagh Assemblies decide to keep status-quo under Azerbaijani rule.

Turks and Azerbaijarlis carry out systematic massacre of Armenians. 15,000-20,000 die.

Karabagh Armenians submit to Turks; 5,000 Turkish soldiers enter Shushi.

October

Turkish massacres intensify in Karabagh. Shushi resists the Turco-Tartar attackers, calls for help from General Andranik and his Armenian volunteer units.

November

General Andranik stopped by British High Commander of Caucasus, General Thompson. Thompson promises problem will be mediated by the Paris Peace Conference, declares military action wouId be unnecessary destruction. Andranik complies.

December

British military delegation arrives in Shushi to determine and oversee status of Karabagh.

1919

January

Paris Peace Conference convenes; Armenia submits claims to historic lands including Karabagh.

Azerbaijan and Gen. Thompson appoint Dr. Khosrov Beg Sultanov, who was already suspected by Armenians as an instigator of massacres as Governor-General of Karabagh and Zangezur Appointment draws violent protests from Armenians in Karabagh.

Republic of Armenia protests; declares Karabagh and Zangezur to be inseparable parts of Armenia. Also protests appointment of Sultanov.

February

Fourth Pan-Karabagh Assembly declares Karabagh to be inseparable from Armenia, does not recognize Azeri rule. Elects a National Council to carry out decision.

March

Azerbaijan army and British troops dispatched to Karabagh to erforce Areri rule. Effort repulsed by Armenians.

April

British General Shuttleworth replaces Thompson as High Commander of the Caucasus, re-announces decision to allow Azeri rule over Karabagh; reiterates Thompson's plan of maintaining status quo until the Paris Peace Conference decides the final boundaries.

Republic of Armenia government once again protests, sends emissary to negotiate. Emissary is banished by British.

Fifth Pan-Karabagh Assembly meets, rejects Shuttleworth's plan. Its Congress accuses Azerbaijan of being an accomplice to Turkish goals of Pan-Turanism or Pan-Turkism, which aspired to unite all lands inhabited by ethnic Turks in Anatolia, old Tzarist Transcaucasia, Iran and Central Asia.
British mission secretly advises Sultanov to enter Shushi with military force.

May

With British knowledge, more intensive attacks on Armenian villages in Karabagh. Sultanov ignores all protests, is suspected by Armenians of encauraging attacks

June

Unable to enforce law and order, British withdraw forces from Karabagh.

Armenian Catholicos in Etchmiadzin sends British a formal protest.

Massive demonstrations in Yerevan and Tbilisi. Hundreds of thousands participate, representing all patriotic, political and cultural organizations demanding that authors of the massacres be arrested and punished.

Sixth Pan-Karabagh Assembly agrees to negotiate with Azeri government in Baku.

Armenians compromise in negotiations but leave treaty unsigned.

British War Office announces withdrawal from entire region of Caucasus.

August

Sultanov presents Seventh Pan-Karabagh Assembly ultimatum to accept Baku agreement. Because agreement had been left open Sultanov changes terms more in favor of Azeri govermnent. Congress bows to inevitable, accepts Sultanov's terms. Representatives create temporary quasi-autonomous district of Karabagh under rule of Azerbaijan pending final determination of Paris Peace Conference.

Paris Peace Conference is still in progress. Armenian representatives stress that the region of Karabagh is Armenian in every detail.

Allied High Commissioner Haskell arrives in Yerevan.

Ninth world Congress of the Dashnaktsutiun (ARF) passes special resolution claiming Karabagh and Zangezur as integral parts of Armenian state.

September

Violence fares up in Karabagh once again.

October

Violence in Karabagh intensifies.

November

The Republic of Azerbaijan concludes treaty with Turkey at expense of Armenia.

Prime Ministers of Armenia and Azerbaijan hold private discussion with U.S. Army Colonel Rhea concerning conflicts between the two republics. Discussions lead to agreement signed in Tbilisi reflecting desire to cease hoslilities.

December

Conference of Armenian and Azeri representatives in Baku produces no agreement.

1920

February-March

Memorandum of Eighth Assembly of Pan-Karabagh Congress to the Allied Powers.

April

Red Army of the Soviet State rapidly conquers Azerbaijan, enters Baku as a first step in the reconquest of the Tzarist empire. Azerbaijan becomes a Soviet republic.

May

Republic of Armenia receives ultimatum from Soviet Azerbaijan and Soviet Russia to clear Armenian troops from pockets in Karabagh and Zangezur within three days.

July

Representatives of Armenian National Council in Karabagh leave for Moscow to demand annexation of Karabagh to Armenia.

Soviets make first move to accommodate Turco-Soviet plan to carve up Armenia.

August

Treaty of Sevres in Paris makes provisions for final settlement of Armeno-Azeri boundary lines.

Khalil Pasha visits Yerevan to discuss Karabagh; outlines Soviet-Turkish plan to unite lands free of Armenian jurisdiction.

December

The government of the Armenian Republic, facing advancing Soviet and Turkish forces, transfers power to Bolsheviks, Armenia becomes a Soviet republic on December 2.

Telegram sent by Soviet Azerbaijani government to Snviet Armenian government cedes territories of Karabagh, Zangezur and Nakhichevan to new fraternal Soviet republic. Border disputes declared resolved.

1921

March

Treaty of Moscow reverses earlier announcements, formalizes cession of Nakhichevan to Azerbaijan, thus helping to improve Soviet relations with Turkey.

April

Avis Nurichanian, the People's Military Commissar of Sonet Armenia, declares that Karabagh is an inseparable part of Armenia.

May

Soviet delegation in negotiations with local government of Karabagh agrees with Nurichanian, and promises Karabagh will be included in Armenian boundaries.

June

Once again based on agreements between the Soviet republics of Armenia and Azerbaijan, Soviet Armenia demands acquisifion of Karabagh.

October

Treaty of Kars signed between Turkey and the three Transcaucasian Soviet Republics. Policy set by Soviet government finalizing boundaries in the Caucasus.

July 1923

Karabagh proclaimed an autonomous region by decree or the Azerbaijan Central Committee, initiated by Moscow.

November 1927

Two rounds of leaflets distributed in Karabagh by the "Union of Karabagh for Armenia~. Numerous arrests follow.

1929

Marked Pan-Turanic movements in Azerbaijan. Armenians of Karabagh express desire to join Armenia.

June 1935

Aghasi Khanjian, Secretary of Communist Party of Armenia, killed after submitting Armenian grievances to Stalin. Grievances include requests to return Karabagh and Nakhichevan to Armenia

[Kingox]

Do you research all this, or just know it all?

[Billy The Mountain]

Some of both actually ;) but as I got that convieniently from the site I posted a link to.

They go all the way up to present times but I didn't want to clutter up the forum with too long of a post and stopped pre WWII

[Teufel]

Well, I know the Mongols stopped at the Volga river, dunno if it was because an army stopped them or because of internal problems.

Though, I do know that later after the Soviet revolution the Soviets "liberated" Mongolia from the Chinese. In fact, the capital of Mongolia, Ulaanbaator, means "Red Hero" (or something along those lines.) Of course, I put liberated in quotations since they became vastly dependent on the USSR, but oh well. At least they didn't occupy them like the Chinese.

[papa_kulikov]

See! The Soviets have a good side...........lol

[Teufel]

lol

They also made great villains in plenty of Hollywood movies. :D

[papa_kulikov]

watch "The Hunt for Red October"...... :thumbsup: good movie.....

[Teufel]

Definitely. Such a good movie I didn't mind Sean Connerry, who was supposed to be a Russian, having a thick Scottish accent. :D

[papa_kulikov]

another good movie thats about the russian revalution (sort of) is dr.zhivago......which is a very good movie....