PDA

View Full Version : Lenin, Stalin and Trotsky??? The History Of Russia


TheUltimateFrEdO
02-21-2006, 02:25 PM
Hello,
Most of you will remember me as a spamer, but i asure you, this is 100% genuine

<u><span style="font-size:36pt;line-height:100%">My Topic is on Russia, and its History and Leaders</span></u>

Lenin brought the people together, he worked on Russia and helped it to overcome, the evil Tsar, and reclaim its glory, he took the people through the Revolution, and got them glory. I dont pretend that the affair was a big thing, it wasnt, it was relativly small, they basically walked in. But it was still from the people, they worked for it, made it happen, the under-dogs unighted, thats how it works. Once they gained control, they brought in comunism, a new idea (that doesnt actually work) that makes everyone equal, no one had any extra powers, but it needs a leader to bring it all together, thats where Lenin came in. He led them, with the help of the "Politburo" to run the country, they went to war, (First World War) against the Germans, and lost, but they kept up the hard work and dignity of Russia, and didnt give up, they kept going, everyone admired Lenin, u have to admire him for that! When Lenin finaly died, he decided that the Politburo would follow him to lead russia into the 21st century, but Stalin had other idea's.

In January 1924 lenin died. he had hoped that the ussr would be ruled. not by one man, but by a group of people, that formed the Politburo. this was the rulling commitee of the comunist party.However, by 1929, one man rulled the ussr. his name was stalin. how did he manage to rise to the position of supreme dictator?

one fact that would that would help stalin come to power was that he was devious. he took some very boring paper pushing jobs, that gave him a lot of power, eg: General secretary of the party, commisar of the nationalities and editor of Pravda. these jobs helped him because he could hire/fire anyone he wanted to. he could publish wat he wanted to. he got people into the party that would support him, and if they didnt like someone, he would simply get rid of them. once people realised, it was far too late.

Stalin used people to his advantage, he took advantage of every situation he could, to further his career. he knew trotsky was i'll and told him lenins funeral was a day earlier so that he could never make it, so stalin took the posistion of stalins right hand man. making himself look really good! He also used a party of the Politbure called the "rightists" to get higher up, then he simply got rid of them one by one, untill there was no one else to rule except from him. This is incredulusly devious.

Quite few people saw through stalin, although (ironically) Lenin did! in his testament, he wrote that stalin had far too much power and should be removed from the Politburo. Stalin was still a "Gray Blur" and it was considered a rediculous thing for stalin to be dangerous, so it was purswaded for the Testament to NEVER be published! (the testament will be at the end)

Trotsky was also very much feered, he was in control of the Red Army, he wanted to go to war again, and no one wanted more war, as they had just been through the "Civil War" and the "First World War" this made Trotsky unpopular, therefore he was never favoured to take over rule, although he was lenins right hand man, and should have taken the place of Trotsky.

I think that Stalin took over control of Russia, because of his Character and personality, he knew what he wanted, and was prepared to do anything he could to get htere, it was all planned, he was a VERY clever man.

Once Stalin came into power, he knew russia was falling behind, and wanted to bring it as fast as he could into the 21st century. he produced a couple of "5 year plans" which were plans in which targets were set to how mush materials they should make within that 5 year period, so they had to mkae more materials, and quick. people were punished is they did not perform, and people were praised for doing well. these "5 year plans" had to be cancelled within 4 years, so that they didnt fail. infact, a hell of a lot more stuff was produced, even though it didnt fill the standards of the plans, they were making progress.

Stalin also intoduced Collectivisation, which was a revolution in farming. he made all the little farms collect as one big farm, so that they could produce more products. they hated and resended stalin for it. they destryed and ate all the food they made, so they didnt have to give it away for free to the workers in the citys. the army had to come in and make them work at gun point some time, to get results. in the short time, the food made went down, but after a while, once everything had callmed down, the food results came up again. but it was slow, but it worked long term. but short term, famine swept the city, millions of people died. the richer farmers "kulaks" were liquidated, killed, put into laybor camps, any thing to get rid of them.

u've heard of the Jews being killed??? well stalin was as bad, he made the purges, this was where he purged all the people he thought were aginst him. people disapeared. show trials were produced, where people were tryed infront of everyone. they were tortured into admiting they did things they didnt, then killed. wiping out the oposition. he purged all the army, officers disapeared. millions died or got sent to laybor camps. normal people were then tryed, he killed all the inocent people as well. people lived in fear of everyone, that they were going to be taken away. milions lost their dads/husbands/boyfriends/brothers. it was as bad as the holocaust.

Lenins Testament

December 1922

[The document known as Lenin’s Testament is a letter secretly dictated by Lenin on December 22-29, 1922, intended for the Twelfth Congress on April 1923. The letter was known only to his wife Krupskaya and the two secretaries who took it down. On March 10, a stroke ended Lenin’s active life. Fearing a split, Krupskaya kept the letter under lock and key, until it was read to delegates at the Thirteenth Congress, a year after Lenin’s death. The delegates were sworn to keep the contents of the letter a secret].

I would urge strongly that at this congress a number of changes be made in out political structure. I want to tell you of the considerations to which I attach most importance.

At the head of the list I set an increase in the number of Central Committee members to a few dozen or even a hundred. It is my opinion that without this reform our Central Committee would be in great danger if the course of events were not quite favourable for us (and that is something we cannot count upon).

Then, I intend to propose that the congress should on certain conditions invest the decisions of the State Planning Commission with legislative force, meeting in this respect the wishes of Comrade Trotsky - to a certain extent and on certain conditions.

As for the first point, i.e., increasing the number of CC members, I think it must be done in order to raise the prestige of the CC, to do a thorough job of improving our administrative machinery, and to prevent conflicts between small sections of the CC from acquiring excessive importance for the future of the party.

It seems to me that our party has every right to demand from the working class fifty to one hundred CC members, and that it could get them from it without unduly taxing the resources of that class.

Such a reform would considerably increase the stability of our party and ease its struggle in the encirclement of hostile states, which, in my opinion, is likely to and must become much more acute in the next few years. I think that the stability of our party would gain a thousandfold by such a measure.

By stability of the CC, of which I spoke above, I mean measures against a split, as far as such measures can at all be taken. For, of course, the white guard in Russaya Mysl was right when, in the white guards’ game against Soviet Russia he banked on a split in our party, and when secondly, he banked on grave differences in our party to cause that split.

Our party relies on two classes and therefore its instability would be possible and its downfall inevitable if there were no agreement between those two classes. In that event this or that measure, and generally all talk about the stability of our CC, would be futile. No measures of any kind could prevent a split in such a case. But I hope that this is too remote a future and too improbable an event to talk about.

I have in mind stability as a guarantee against a split in the immediate future, and I intend to deal here with a few ideas concerning personal qualities.

I think that from this standpoint the prime factor in the question of stability are such members of the CC as Stalin and Trotsky. I think relations between them make up the greater part of the danger of a split, which could be avoided, and this purpose, in my opinion, would be served, among other things, by increasing the number of CC members to fifty or one hundred.

Comrade Stalin, having become general secretary, has unlimited authority concentrated in his hands, and I am not sure whether he will always be capable of using that authority with sufficient caution. Comrade Trotsky, on the other hand, as his struggle against the CC on the question of the People’s Commissariat has already proved, is distinguished not only by outstanding ability. He is personally perhaps the most capable man in the present CC, but he has displayed excessive self-assurance and shown preoccupation with the purely administrative side of the work.

These two qualities of the two outstanding leaders of the present CC can inadvertently lead to a split, and if our party does not take steps to avert this, the split may come unexpectedly.

I shall not give any further appraisals of the personal qualities of other members of the CC. I shall just recall that the October episode with Zinoviev and Kamenev was, of course, no accident, but neither can the blame for it be laid upon them personally, any more than non-Bolshevism can upon Trotsky.

Speaking of the young CC members, I wish to say a few words abut Bukharin and Pyatakov. They are, in my opinion, the most outstanding figures (among the youngest ones), and the following must be borne in mind about them: Bukharin is not only a most valuable and major theorist of the party; he is also rightly considered the favourite of the whole party, but his theoretical views can be classified as fully Marxist only with great reserve, for there is something scholastic about him (he has never made a study of dialectics and, I think, never fully understood it).

As for Pyatakov, he is unquestionably a man of outstanding ability, but shows too much zeal for administrating and the administrative side of the work to be relied upon in a serious political matter.

Both of these remarks, of course, are made only for the present, on the assumption that both these outstanding and devoted party workers fail to find an occasion to enhance their knowledge and amend their one-sidedness.

Stalin is too rude and this defect, although quite tolerable in our midst and in dealings among us Communists, becomes intolerable in a general secretary. That is why I suggest that the comrades think about a way of removing Stalin from that post and appointing another man in his stead who in all other respects differs from Comrade Stalin in having only one advantage, namely, that of being more tolerant, more loyal, less capricious, etc. This circumstance may appear to be a negligible detail. But I think that from the standpoint of safeguards against a split and from the standpoint of what I wrote above about the relationship between Stalin and Trotsky it is not a detail, or it is a detail which can assume decisive importance.

The increase in the number of CC members to fifty or even one hundred must, in my opinion, serve a double or even a treble purpose: the more members there are in the CC, the more men will be trained in CC work and the less danger there will be of a split due to some indiscretion. The enlistment of many workers to the CC will help the workers improve our administrative machinery, which is pretty bad. We inherited it, in effect, from the old regime, for it was absolutely impossible to reorganise it in such a short time, especially in conditions of war, famine, etc. That is why those “critics” who point to the defects of our administrative machinery out of mockery or malice may be calmly answered that they do not in the least understand the conditions of the revolution today. It is altogether impossible in five years to reorganise the machinery adequately, especially under the conditions in which our revolution took place. It is enough that in five years we have created a new type of state in which the workers are leading the peasants against the bourgeoisie, and in a hostile international environment this in itself is a gigantic achievement. But knowledge of this must on no account blind us to the fact that, in effect, we took over the old machinery of state from the Czar and the satisfaction of the minimum requirements against famine, all our work must be directed towards improving the administrative machinery.

I think that a few dozen workers, being members of the CC, can deal better than anybody else with checking, improving, and remodelling our state apparatus. The Workers and Peasants Inspection, on whom this function devolved at the beginning proved unable to cope with it and can be used only as an “appendage” or, on certain conditions, as an assistant to these members of the CC. In my opinion, the workers admitted to the CC should come preferably not from among those who have had long service in Soviet bodies (in this part of my letter the term workers everywhere includes peasants), because those workers have already acquired the very traditions and the very prejudices which it is desirable to combat.

The working class members of the CC must be mainly workers of a lower stratum than those promoted in the last five years to work in Soviet bodies; they must be people closer to being rank-and-file workers and peasants, who, however, do not fall into the category of direct or indirect exploiters. I think that by attending all sittings of the CC and all sittings of the Politburo, and by reading all the documents of the CC, such workers can form a staff of devoted supporters of the Soviet system, able, first, to give stability to the CC itself, and second, to work effectively on the renewal and improvement of the state apparatus.

.... [Lenin further elaborates on the need for an enlarged CC].

Lenin,

December 29, 1922.

[In the event the Tenth Congress fixed the membership of the membership of the Central Committee at 40 plus 15-20 non-voting candidate members]

To Comrade Stalin

Copy to Comrades Kamenev and Zinoviev

Dear Comrade Stalin:

You have been so rude as to summon my wife to the telephone and use bad language. Although she had told you that she was prepared to forget this, the fact nevertheless became known through her to Zinoviev and Kamenev. I have no intention of forgetting so easily what has been done against me, and it goes without saying that what has been done against my wife I consider having been done against me as well. I ask you, therefore, to think it over whether you are prepared to withdraw what you have said and to make your apologies, or whether you prefer that relations between us should be broken off.

Respectfully yours,

Lenin,

March 5, 1923.

During this same period Lenin also dictated other letters which were taken down, and smuggled out of Lenin’s room by his secretaries. These letters concerned the following struggles:

1 Supporting Trotsky’s proposal to invest the State Planning Authority with additional powers. [December 1922]

2 Opposing Stalin’s move to weaken the state monopoly on foreign trade, and authorising Trotsky to ‘stand up for my views on the foreign-trade monopoly’. [December 1922]

3 Opposing Great Russian chauvinism of Stalin in relation to his proposal for “union” of the independent republics in the Russian Federation. [December 1922]

4 Reduction of the size of the Workers and Peasants Inspection (The ‘Rabkrin’, of which Stalin was the head) [January 23, 1923]

5 Better Fewer, But Better. “everyone knows that Rabkrin does not at present enjoy the slighest authority ... nothing can be expected from this People’s Commissariat .. ” [February 7 1923]

6 Opposing Stalin’s “persecution” of the “Georgian case”. [March 5-6 1923]

Tizmo
02-21-2006, 02:29 PM
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(TheUltimateFrEdO @ Feb 21 2006, 09:25 PM) Quoted post</div><div class='quotemain'>
so stalin took the posistion of stalins right hand man. making himself look really good!
[/b][/quote]

You mean Trotsky took that position, right? Wow, talk about a long post! Good info there mate.

TheUltimateFrEdO
02-21-2006, 02:47 PM
yh lol,

i hope it can create discusion, if other people know there stuff, some of it is worng style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif so it should create argument, and discusion, whoch is what i hoped

i also wrote all of that personaly, except from lenins testament, it took me ages LOL

Tizmo
02-21-2006, 02:48 PM
Well, for discussion, I think that Stalin was a bad dictator. He killed off 65 million of his own people.

Alpha_Pasta
02-21-2006, 03:23 PM
Nice copy and paste job. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif


No, good post, should be useful for the GCSE topic we're on at the moment.

BritishBulldog1
02-21-2006, 04:51 PM
Welcome back Freddo, good post.

BB1

COD-RIOT-STARTER
02-21-2006, 05:11 PM
Communism was a lot like what I do as a college student in my free time.. it seemed like a good idea at the time. Russia's economy and standing in the world will forever be marred by Josef Stalin and the reds. Stalin inflicted more than 2 Holocausts on his own people. Really, Stalin has no contemporary friends (so to speak.) Liberals hate him for his human rights vios, and Conservatives (More specifically those of the right wing) despise his communism. Russian people are some of the warmest and kindest, and I find it sad the polotical hardships wrought upon them.

Enemy

TheUltimateFrEdO
02-22-2006, 10:42 AM
thanx for all ure posts, they were all nice to recieve

can i just state, that i did niether copy or paste any of that post, except the testament, because i would have to have copied it word to word anyway. it took me an hour the other bit.

thanx again

Fredo

and yes, i did do an essay on it today, so it was a revisaion exercise mainly

style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif good usage tho

Alpha_Pasta
02-22-2006, 11:54 AM
Hey, was mistaken. Nice one.

Savage
02-23-2006, 06:09 AM
i think (though i dont know much) is the reason Russia is in a state for the time being is because the government doesnt care about the people of Russia. if they did i think Russia would be a lot better off.

out of interest is stalin still around

P.S i wonder if any Russians on the site might comment of this thread i know there are some around on this site

Tizmo
02-23-2006, 02:16 PM
No, Stalin died in 1953.

TheUltimateFrEdO
02-24-2006, 10:33 AM
lol, yh if stalin was still around, he would be ruling, only his death could seperate him of it

catman
05-13-2006, 07:14 PM
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(savage5 @ Feb 23 2006, 07:09 AM) Quoted post</div><div class='quotemain'>
i think (though i dont know much) is the reason Russia is in a state for the time being is because the government doesnt care about the people of Russia. if they did i think Russia would be a lot better off.

out of interest is stalin still around

P.S i wonder if any Russians on the site might comment of this thread i know there are some around on this site
[/b][/quote]

yeah, im russian, im interested in the post, but leave no comment.

mafman124
05-13-2006, 07:23 PM
Lenin and Trostky were great man, if Stalin would not of killed Trosky then Russia would not of gone through all of its problems with the west etc. I think I saw Fredos essay when I googled russia for a project.

BritishBulldog1
05-13-2006, 08:17 PM
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(catman @ May 14 2006, 01:14 AM) Quoted post</div><div class='quotemain'>
yeah, im russian, im interested in the post, but leave no comment.
[/b][/quote]

But your opinion is still worth while, even if others disagree. It should also be respected.

BB1

mafman124
05-13-2006, 08:36 PM
who is your post directed to BB1

Graphic
05-13-2006, 09:17 PM
I'm torn about Lenin. On one hand, he bastardize marxism specifically to give the government dictator powers, but on the other hand, bolshevism was a clear step up from the Tsar's tyranny.

I'm not torn about Stalin. He was an evil person with only the goal of absolute power for himself.

Trotsky wasn't so bad but he did institute some rediculous practices in the Soviet army that became evident in WW2 (most notably the shooting of retreaters).

BritishBulldog1
05-13-2006, 09:44 PM
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(mafman124 @ May 14 2006, 02:36 AM) Quoted post</div><div class='quotemain'>
who is your post directed to BB1
[/b][/quote]

The person whom I quoted lol just like I am replying to you here.

BB1

catman
05-15-2006, 08:24 PM
well, ok then, ill post my opinion, and thank you. ok, well, you guys should know a hate stalin and and all that rot, but he did do some good. i respect those historical figures both as enemies and allies, truth be told, i dont know that much russia's history, as i was born here in USA. I didnt know that until i was like 5, so everything what was going on, i thought wass russian, er.. well... i never really thougt about it. what i do know about my country and its past a take in deep consideration and thought. without all those horrible events, i might not be here. basically what im saying is we can take one thing, any thing from the past, change it, and we're kaput.

sharpshooter_mosin
05-19-2006, 10:28 AM
look at stalingard guys over a million died because overpowerd stalin use on them ..... man that guy must be a sick or somethin well for a politician dude

catman
05-19-2006, 05:06 PM
hmmff...